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Reference to the upper middleclassness of Catholicism in posh parts of England. Quite the opposite of Irish Catholicism...mostly poor and working class right into the 60
The posh Catholic Churches right across the country pretty much refused to host those darned Irish catholics for decades, insisting they needed new establishments in which to say and do exactly the same things.
 
The posh Catholic Churches right across the country pretty much refused to host those darned Irish catholics for decades, insisting they needed new establishments in which to say and do exactly the same things.

Not surprised....considering poor Irish migrant workers were very much looked down on in general.
The posh O' Catholics wouldn't have wanted to breathe the same air as them.
 
The posh Catholic Churches right across the country pretty much refused to host those darned Irish catholics for decades, insisting they needed new establishments in which to say and do exactly the same things.
I'd be interested to know what you mean by the posh Catholic churches and indeed which decades you refer to.

Looking at the 1860s and 1870s and 1880s there was a very great difference between parishes how the irish and their aspirations were treated by the church eg in the 1870s an (irish) priest in hoxton ripping down and dancing on a home rule poster, another irish priest in marylebone refusing the use of Catholic school rooms for a meeting to raise funds for relief in Ireland in 1879, while by contrast another irish priest allowed the use of the clerkenwell italian church schoolrooms for the founding meeting of the London irish home rule association. The foundation of the temperance league of the cross by archbishop manning was used by elements of the nationalist irish to promote their own views, eg at a public meeting in peckham the green sashes of the league being adorned with irish nationalist symbols. Archbishop manning also gave a letter of introduction to an irish pavior, so he could gain an interview with the archbishop of Toronto.

From my pov, the way the rc church in England treated the irish varied from place to place and time to time. But yeh I'd be interested to see your source/s
 
I'd be interested to know what you mean by the posh Catholic churches and indeed which decades you refer to.

Looking at the 1860s and 1870s and 1880s there was a very great difference between parishes how the irish and their aspirations were treated by the church eg in the 1870s an (irish) priest in hoxton ripping down and dancing on a home rule poster, another irish priest in marylebone refusing the use of Catholic school rooms for a meeting to raise funds for relief in Ireland in 1879, while by contrast another irish priest allowed the use of the clerkenwell italian church schoolrooms for the founding meeting of the London irish home rule association. The foundation of the temperance league of the cross by archbishop manning was used by elements of the nationalist irish to promote their own views, eg at a public meeting in peckham the green sashes of the league being adorned with irish nationalist symbols. Archbishop manning also gave a letter of introduction to an irish pavior, so he could gain an interview with the archbishop of Toronto.

From my pov, the way the rc church in England treated the irish varied from place to place and time to time. But yeh I'd be interested to see your source/s

Possibly depended on the Irishness or not of said Catholic priest?
Also...
Maybe the posh Catholics in England were tracing their Catholic ancestry back to Pre Reformation Catholic aristocracy? Sort of like ... the Brideshead Revisited types?
They'd be quite alien to a working class Irish Catholic.
 
Possibly depended on the Irishness or not of said Catholic priest?
Also...
Maybe the posh Catholics in England were tracing their Catholic ancestry back to Pre Reformation Catholic aristocracy? Sort of like ... the Brideshead Revisited types?
They'd be quite alien to a working class Irish Catholic.
Yes there's the aristocratic recusant Catholics like the Duke of Norfolk, and the posh converted Catholics eg Newman and manning. And yes they would be alien to pretty much all the immigrant irish of the day. And vice versa of course.
 
I particularly like the central one

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Mogg could've been in contempt of Parliament on C4 yesterday. Take a deep breath, because this is painful to watch.
This shit is wild. You could sort of understand if she joined Labour the day after the report, but it's been a year ffs, and they were all calling out her independence and lauding her apparent professionalism despite credible claims (iirc) that she might not be impartial. Not least of all because Spaffer appointed her to investigate him!

Bit rich of Mogg to say that there weren't rules against food at work given they sought to bring down Starmer for exactly that.
 
A real rotten borough like the ones the 1832 reform act abolished or just somewhere you don't like?
Both, lol. I looked up rotten burroughs a few years ago upon encountering it, and recollect it was rather complicated, or could have been written more simply. In fact the definitions I read, were likely written by tory politicians, who didnt want you to know what they were, even if a person extensively researched it.
 
Yesterday, [as above] JRM hosted a meet of the Mendip Farmers foxhunt ...

apparently, it seems that a significant number of ex-Avon Vale turned up to the event.
[for those that don't know - the AV was chucked out by the "sports" "governing body" after the recently exposed activity of digging out a brace of foxes & throwing / bolting them to the hounds]
 
Look at the cunt's estate! Did he toss a farthing down to a soot soaked urchin and declare "huzzah it's hunting day, now, child, fetch me the fattest goose you can carry. Away with you!"

How can this shit be legal?
Aye, except they have a twelve bird roast on the Sabbath, which for them is a sunday, usually.
 
This shit is wild. You could sort of understand if she joined Labour the day after the report, but it's been a year ffs, and they were all calling out her independence and lauding her apparent professionalism despite credible claims (iirc) that she might not be impartial. Not least of all because Spaffer appointed her to investigate him!
I think civil servants are covered by ACOBA, who are meant to regulate the movement between Parliamentary roles and other employment. Maybe Mogg is advocating for them to have more teeth, although I doubt the partners of Somerset Capital Management would agree with that.
 


I found this interesting. The background is about the Manchester Arena bombing inquiry and how MI5/6 knew the bomber was a risk, but hoped harbouring him and others would contribute to the downfall of Libya.

Novara reporter Michael Walker is using the inquiry to talk about the disgraceful role of the security services; Mogg is trying to use the inquiry to argue that political correctness allowed the bomber to strike, which is absolutely batshit nonsense.
 
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