bimble
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The long term effects of them, even if taken briefly, are one of the things people spend their lives arguing about, in the absence of solid medical knowledge, in this time.
Is this woman a transphobe?
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Louis MacNeice
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How do you imagine that playing out? Or if you prefer what is the result of indulging in your own thought experiment?
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Border Reiver
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I do not play games. Do feel free to enter a real debate.
Border Reiver
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The class of drugs used have been prescribed for nearly seventy years on children with precocious puberty. And for several decades for transgender persons.
Border Reiver
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See my reply to bimble above.
bimble
floofy
Yes. This is the NHS’s website on it currently. So they’re not sure of a bunch of stuff.
8ball
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I don’t see what your reply adds in terms of what Raheem said.
Border Reiver
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Modern general wards are all integrated as each pair of single rooms share a wc and shower.
Psychiatry differs over type of unit. For instance provision of separate specialist units is uneconomic. Adult acute assessment should be single sex.
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Much is known about short term and medium term use for precocious puberty.
8ball
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They are considered ‘generally safe’. It has to be balanced against the risks of going through a particularly distressing puberty, making certain aesthetic adjustments permanently impossible etc.
They have been used on young people in the past, just not that much on young gender-nonconforming people.
bimble
floofy
Yep.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
So should we have single sex (ie not mixed sex) wards? (Ie the question you’re trolling)
To be less sensitive - does a woman have a right to be on a ward that doesn’t include male patients?
it’s an observation that what should be and what is in mental health care aren’t the same. Might be worth addressing that as means of reducing the distress of people with dysphoria before demanding that people make statements that they know not to be true (Funnily enough it’s not great for anyones mental health)
also worth observing the economic motivation for ‘breaking down’ sex based protections in the NHS
Border Reiver
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That is now out of date after a court hearing at the Appeal Court last week which confirmed that the parent with parental responsibility can authorize puberty blockers with informed consent.
I fully expect the previous finding to be completely overturned at the Court of Appeal or UKSC.
Puberty blockers are still prescribed with Gillick Competent consent from children in Scotland.
Border Reiver
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I stop responding to people who use abuse in debate.
Briefly, it depends on the structure of wards and the type of patient and service.
There is no guarantee of single sex wards, just that toilet and washing rooms must be separate. Our new local hospital is all single room so the problem does not arise.
Shechemite
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right
Athos
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Do you have a link to the judgement, please?
ETA Scrap that - found it: AB v CD & Ors [2021] EWHC 741 (Fam)
ETA Not sure it makes the passage bimble quoted 'out of date' (as you claimed) though.
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Keira Bell has been very clear that nothing would have stopped her, which is we she wants to see trans healthcare banned. Whilst her account of her treatment was disputed by the Tavistock the court said it was not relevant to the case, which was a judicial review into the ability to give consent for the procedure overall, so it never went into it details and we don't really know what procedures were followed. Most importantly however most of the treatment she received was when she was an adult.
Keira's legal team attempted to intervene in the recent case in an effort to prevent parent's being able to give consent but the Judge said no because it involved an actual child and would have been difficult to maintain confidentiality. In reality this is what was happening anyway, it came out in the Bell case that the Tavistock hadn't ever treated someone where the parent's had disagreed with treatment, so whilst we don't yet know how GIDS will respond it's likely to be business as usual.
SpackleFrog
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Thanks for all the informative posts and limitless patience by the way, don't know how you do it.
Border Reiver
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No one is suggesting that they be prescribed lightly. The law controls consent and currently parents can consent for their children. The restriction on Gillick Competence is being appealed and I expect it to be overturned.
Raheem
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Probably mainly because it's obvious they shouldn't be.
Border Reiver
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The part he copied is up to date. The rest of the site has not updated the recent case on parental consent which drives a coach and horses through the decision.
Border Reiver
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The law currently has little effect, which is good. I fully expect a return to Gillick Competence.
Mood is not a synonym of affect. And the idea that affect is distinct from mood is highly contentious at best, and many world say that it is total bollocks.
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Border Reiver
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I did not say affect is not a synonym of mood. Mood and affect are connected temporally.
Border Reiver
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You said “affect (mood)”. What did you mean by that?
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Affect and mood are in an "emotional" basket. Much else is in a "cognitive" basket.
Affect is the visible reaction a person displays toward events. ... Affect is described by such terms as constricted, normal range, appropriate to context, flat, and shallow. Mood refers to the feeling tone and is described by such terms as anxious, depressed, dysphoric, euphoric, angry, and irritable.
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Affect is the visible reaction a person displays toward events. ... Affect is described by such terms as constricted, normal range, appropriate to context, flat, and shallow. Mood refers to the feeling tone and is described by such terms as anxious, depressed, dysphoric, euphoric, angry, and irritable.
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Border Reiver
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Particularly dysphoria does not refer to cognition but emotion if they can be separated.
I don’t need to be given a link to the definition of mood or affect.
Your assertion that both these things are distinct from cognition is not something generally accepted within psychology, despite the fact that some branches claim it. Review, for example, Emotions and Social Relations
Your assertion that both these things are distinct from cognition is not something generally accepted within psychology, despite the fact that some branches claim it. Review, for example, Emotions and Social Relations
