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Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

Ignorance on the origins of a meme is one thing, but how does that make Musk anti-semtic?

And even given the origins of the meme, even if Musk knew those origins, if the meme points the fingers of blame away from Jews but towards the EU, how is that a problem?

The EU is a massive threat to everyone's freedom of speech if they get their way.

Misinformation isn't cool, but you know what? The best way to counter lies is the truth, a whole load of truth and to keep re-iterating the importance of critical thinking.

State censorship is bad news for everyone, including even the politicians that think it's such a wonderful thing.

Musk has form. Why are you defending him?

 
Musk has form. Why are you defending him?


Has form for what? I've read the Vice article, it's absolute horse-shite.

As for defending Musk, damn right I am. If it's him or the EU, it's him I'll trust.

If you want centralised unaccounatable entities like the EU to decide what you can and can't say on the internet, then you've got issues.
 
Why would temporarily embarrassed rich person Staker bootlick Elon Musk while vocally despising the middle classes? One represents his imagined position, the other is too close to his actual position.
Most of the middle classes HATE the working classes. They are vermin. Have you met those people? I have. Scum. Filth. Most of them employed in non-jobs.

Musk is trying to get us to Mars. Defends free speech against an unholy alliance centralised powerful entites trying to take that away from us.

There are billionaires that are total twats. I reserve my anger for the likes of Gates, not Musk.

Gates is the one activally trying to shaft people. Musk is a saint in comparison.
 
Has form for what? I've read the Vice article, it's absolute horse-shite.

As for defending Musk, damn right I am. If it's him or the EU, it's him I'll trust.

If you want centralised unaccounatable entities like the EU to decide what you can and can't say on the internet, then you've got issues.

The mask finally slips.

All your piffle about authoritarianism, gated communities, supporting capitalism and now we know for sure where you stand.

Dickhead.
 
Has form for what? I've read the Vice article, it's absolute horse-shite.

As for defending Musk, damn right I am. If it's him or the EU, it's him I'll trust.

If you want centralised unaccounatable entities like the EU to decide what you can and can't say on the internet, then you've got issues.

Presumably then him accepting censorship requests from other regimes is a bad thing?
 
Most of the middle classes HATE the working classes. They are vermin. Have you met those people? I have. Scum. Filth. Most of them employed in non-jobs.

Musk is trying to get us to Mars. Defends free speech against an unholy alliance centralised powerful entites trying to take that away from us.

There are billionaires that are total twats. I reserve my anger for the likes of Gates, not Musk.

Gates is the one activally trying to shaft people. Musk is a saint in comparison.


He's a narcissist, racist, transphobic edgelord and platformer for white supremacists and the GOP.

His defence of freedom of speech is promoting far right talking points over leftwing activism and dissent. Have you seen what has happened to twitter since he took over?


You'd know that if you weren't so busy meeting the entire middle classes.
 
The mask finally slips.

All your piffle about authoritarianism, gated communities, supporting capitalism and now we know for sure where you stand.

Dickhead.
I support free enterprise where I get to decide what I need, not some fucking loser of souless working class hating middle class champagne socialist bureaucrat.

As for gated communites, yep, they're great for those who don't want to live anywhere near middle class liberals.

Where I live isn't a gated community. Everyone getss along. But to be brutally honest, if it were a choice between 2000 asylum seekers arriving in my town or 2000 middle class liberals, I'd rather have the asylum seekers.

The middle class liberals would have the community fractured and divided, presenting themselves as the fucking solution to everything. Fuck that.
 
Presumably then him accepting censorship requests from other regimes is a bad thing?

That's different from setting up systems where things are censored wholesale before the user can even publish.

The EU's end game is to have everyone verify who they are with a digital identity before they can post anything on social media.

Is that something you support?

Everyone seems to have forgotten that anonymity is crucial for whistleblowers.

Twitter used to shape it's policy around protectign whistleblowers above all else.

Nowdays, it depends on who's doing the whistleblowing.

If it's all been hacked and embarasses the right then that's good journalism and there is a public interest, but if it embarasses the left, then the way it was obtained is an issue (when it wasn't when it embarassed the right) and it's taken down.

There's double standards at play, but hey, everything anyone on the right says, is spouting misinformation and conspiracy theories, that needs shutting down ASAP< while everything that comes from the left, is whistle blowing and needs much more focus in the town square of public debate, because you know, it's in the public interest to see what the evil right is hiding.....

It's getting to the point where if you don't agree with the establishment narritive, it's misinformation.

What a sad state of affairs.
 
Jesus imagine going through life thinking Musk, a man who'll literally make up an entire pretend transport system to avoid using the bus, doesn't hate working class people. And that Musk, a man who's repeatedly fired his staff for saying things he doesn't like, kowtowed to belligerent regimes to censor their opposition and who kicked the radical left off his social media platform on the basis of a list made by fascists, actually means it when he says he's "pro-free speech." Just imagine being that level of self-deluded. Somewhere there must be a tiny part of that person that just cringes.
 
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That's different from setting up systems where things are censored wholesale before the user can even publish.

The EU's end game is to have everyone verify who they are with a digital identity before they can post anything on social media.

Is that something you support?

Everyone seems to have forgotten that anonymity is crucial for whistleblowers.

Twitter used to shape it's policy around protectign whistleblowers above all else.


Nowdays, it depends on who's doing the whistleblowing.

If it's all been hacked and embarasses the right then that's good journalism and there is a public interest, but if it embarasses the left, then the way it was obtained is an issue (when it wasn't when it embarassed the right) and it's taken down.

There's double standards at play, but hey, everything anyone on the right says, is spouting misinformation and conspiracy theories, that needs shutting down ASAP< while everything that comes from the left, is whistle blowing and needs much more focus in the town square of public debate, because you know, it's in the public interest to see what the evil right is hiding.....

It's getting to the point where if you don't agree with the establishment narritive, it's misinformation.

What a sad state of affairs.

at no point has Twitter done that
 
dude i've read enough to know you never ignore anyone


you are an attention whore so its something you cannot do

keep arse licking a billionaire

who so upset by his kid he gave no attention to turning out to be trans that he is willing to piss away billions

not like an angry divorce dad in his last 2 years at all
 
I actually think this has been the most revealing of all Staker's interventions, the place where his pretense at desiring liberty meets the reality of him loving the idea that what can and can't be said through one of the largest platforms on the internet is controlled by the whim of an arbitrary-minded tycoon. That moment when you admit your concept of "freedom" is simply kissing John Galt's ring, hoping some of the gold rubs off.

A whole lot of blah blah "socialists want to control us," all while shuffling around on his knees.
 
Jesus imagine going through life thinking Musk, a man who'll literally make up an entire pretend transport system to avoid using the bus, doesn't hate working class people. And that Musk, a man who's repeatedly fired his staff for saying things he doesn't like, kowtowed to belligerent regimes to censor their opposition and who kicked the radical left off his social media platform on the basis of a list made by fascists, actually means it when he says he's "pro-free speech." Just imagine being that level of self-deluded. Somewhere there must be a tiny part of that person that just cringes.
WHY DO YOU LOVE THE EU SO MUCH?
 
I support free enterprise where I get to decide what I need, not some fucking loser of souless working class hating middle class champagne socialist bureaucrat.

As for gated communites, yep, they're great for those who don't want to live anywhere near middle class liberals.

Where I live isn't a gated community. Everyone getss along. But to be brutally honest, if it were a choice between 2000 asylum seekers arriving in my town or 2000 middle class liberals, I'd rather have the asylum seekers.

The middle class liberals would have the community fractured and divided, presenting themselves as the fucking solution to everything. Fuck that.
You aspire to be very much part of the middle class (if you're not already). You can't separate money and class. It sounds like it's socialists you dislike, rather than the middle class (socialist ≠ liberal). Don't you realise the working class has a strong leftist tradition?
 
I support free enterprise where I get to decide what I need, not some fucking loser of souless working class hating middle class champagne socialist bureaucrat.

As for gated communites, yep, they're great for those who don't want to live anywhere near middle class liberals.

Where I live isn't a gated community. Everyone getss along. But to be brutally honest, if it were a choice between 2000 asylum seekers arriving in my town or 2000 middle class liberals, I'd rather have the asylum seekers.

The middle class liberals would have the community fractured and divided, presenting themselves as the fucking solution to everything. Fuck that.

You make them sound like crypto bros.

And btw class war is fine, but calling people "vermin" is the language of tyranny. But of course, you do love authoritarianism.
 
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