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while this is not the thread to debate such matters....

moral dubiousness aside, whats worth the bother?

a)If the US believes WMD's exist then information it might have been worth the bother to interogate them and find out where?

b)If the attacks are by 'saddam loyalists' it might be worth the bother to find out the structure and logistics behind the opposition.

c)If justice is worth the bother it might be worth putting them on trial for crimes against humanity.

But well if truth,justice and the lives of US soldiers are not worth bothering about - lets just blow hell out of every minor threat and retreat behind a techy wall like frightened spoiled children.
 
Wolfowitz: We did it in 120-degree temperature, which I don't expect any sympathy for, but it certainly gave me an understanding of what our troops are living with day after day after day. And they didn't get to sleep in the places we slept in at night. Actually, I think would have preferred to be out in a tent than to be in one of Saddam's palaces, but that is the way the cookie crumbles, as they say.

Not news I know, but Id really like to drop him on his head. From 3,000 feet.
 
Originally posted by bigfish
Well one reason to have bothered was the fact that one of the occupants was known to be a 14 year old boy. Obviously killing kids is cool to you.

You make me sick!

Obviously killing kids is cool to me?

You should take that brain back for the five thousand mile tune-up.
 
Originally posted by Genocide Chickenhawk
Obviously killing kids is cool to me?
You said this "Taking them alive would have meant risking a lot of lives. Why bother?"

Clearly, one very good reason to bother was because there was a 14 year old boy among the four trapped in the house, but you do not consider this at all. A siege could have been laid and an attempt made to secure save passage for the boy at the very least. Instead a frontal assault was ordered at the highest political level in which the child was sacrificed in order to secure the heads of Sadams two sons so that they could be placed on metaphorical pikes and paraded in front of the cameras.

It's plain for all to see that your sympathies always lie with the more depraved option.
 
US Soldiers killing themselves:

US forces in Iraq have suffered cases of probable suicide, a senior military official said today, amid slumping morale among troops faced with daily and deadly attacks.

The senior officer, who asked not to be named, said that among 53 US military non-combat deaths since May 1, when the war was declared effectively over, were "probable" suicides as well as a large number of road accidents.

He did not say how many soldiers were suspected of committing suicide.

There have been a number of "non-hostile gunshot incidents" among US troops in that time, with suspected suicides and accidental discharges of weapons, for example during cleaning, included under the category.

US forces are facing an average of around a dozen attacks a day, hitting morale of tired troops, some of whom have already been in Iraq for months, while others have recently had their tours of duty indefinitely extended.

Deaths in combat against guerrilla forces resisting the US-led occupation in Iraq since major fighting was declared over on May 1 reached 39 today, and 153 the number killed in action during the entire Iraq campaign.

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,6797508^25777,00.html
 
US Nobel Laureate Slams Bush Gov't as "Worst" in American History

Tuesday, July 29, 2003

BERLIN - American Nobel Prize laureate for Economics George A. Akerlof lashed out at the government of US President George W. Bush, calling it the "worst ever" in American history, the online site of the weekly Der Spiegel magazine reported Tuesday.

"I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extradordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign policy and economics but also in social and environmental policy," said the 2001 Nobel Prize laureate who teaches economics at the University of California in Berkeley.

"This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for (American) people to engage in civil disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as possible," the 61-year-old scholar added.

Akerlof has been recognized for his research that borrows from sociology, psychology, anthropology and other fields to determine economic influences and outcomes.

His areas of expertise include macro-economics, monetary policy and poverty.
 
Colin Powell, US secretary of state, was advised that the evidence he cited in his speech to the United Nations in February concerning Iraq's nuclear weapons programme was questionable.

The bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), the State Department's in-house analysis unit, and nuclear experts at the Department of Energy are understood to have explicitly warned Mr Powell during the preparation of his speech that the evidence was questionable.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentS...y&c=StoryFT&cid=1059478557785&p=1012571727102
 
Former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson predicts the situation in Iraq will deteriorate so much over the next year Bush may resort to start another war in order to win the 2004 election. Wilson is the retired diplomat who visited Niger in a CIA-sponsored trip last year during which he determined the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal was bogus. His conclusion was ignored by the Bush White House.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/30/1513221
 
Originally posted by bigfish
You said this "Taking them alive would have meant risking a lot of lives. Why bother?"

Clearly, one very good reason to bother was because there was a 14 year old boy among the four trapped in the house, but you do not consider this at all. A siege could have been laid and an attempt made to secure save passage for the boy at the very least. Instead a frontal assault was ordered at the highest political level in which the child was sacrificed in order to secure the heads of Sadams two sons so that they could be placed on metaphorical pikes and paraded in front of the cameras.

It's plain for all to see that your sympathies always lie with the more depraved option.

Ouch!

:D
 
Warner Says Pentagon To Scrap Terror-Futures Market Plan

A graphic on the market's Web page Monday showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown. Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as a Middle East market, the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea missile attack.
http://www.quicken.com/investments/...0030729/ON200307291307001376.var&column=P0DFP


Weirder and weirder.
 
Going long on lunacy

Speculators would deposit money in an account and then buy futures contracts on coming events. If many speculators foresaw an early demise for Mr. Arafat, the value of the contracts on his death would rise. One problem was that if Osama bin Laden played the market, he'd have ways of making sure his bets paid off. A good terrorist could bankroll his killing with killings in the futures market. The Defense Department conceded that was a problem that needed work.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinio...ions/friday/opinion_f3921bfd430550d1003e.html

Sure enough its gone
http://www.policyanalysismarket.org/
 
Halliburton Co reported a second-quarter profit of $26m, or six cents a share, compared with a loss of $498m, or $1.15 a share, a year ago. The positive turnaround was prompted by an 11% increase in revenue after the Houston-based oil-field services and construction company won major contracts to help rebuild post-war Iraq. Halliburton said that projects in Iraq, including a controversial deal to reconstruct war-damaged oil facilities, accounted for 9% of the quarter's revenue. Analysts estimated the contracts increased earnings by two to three cents a share and aided Halliburton's engineering and construction division, which has been hit by cost overruns and asbestos suits.


http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm?id=2...&objectid=5069ED60-E2BF-46F4-A22C03E0CD918259
 
A Must Read

John Pilger: The War on Truth Studies now put the death toll at as many as 10,000 civilians and 20,000 Iraqi troops. If this does not constitute a "bloodbath", what was the massacre of 3,000 people at the twin towers?


George Orwell described this as "words falling upon the facts like soft snow, blurring their outlines and covering up all the details". Thanks to the freest press on earth, most Americans, according to a national poll, believe Iraq was behind the 11 September attacks. "We have been the victims of the biggest cover-up manoeuvre of all time," says Jane Harman, a rare voice in Congress. But that, too, is an illusion.

The verboten truth is that the unprovoked attack on Iraq and the looting of its resources is America's 73rd colonial intervention. These, together with hundreds of bloody covert operations, have been covered up by a system and a veritable tradition of state-sponsored lies that reach back to the genocidal campaigns against Native Americans and the attendant frontier myths; and the Spanish-American war, which broke out after Spain was falsely accused of sinking an American warship, the Maine, and war fever was whipped up by the Hearst newspapers; and the non-existent "missile gap" between the US and the Soviet Union, which was based on fake documents given to journalists in 1960 and served to accelerate the nuclear arms race; and four years later, the non-existent Vietnamese attack on two American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin for which the media demanded reprisals, giving President Johnson the pretext he wanted to bomb North Vietnam.

In the late 1970s, a silent media allowed President Carter to arm Indonesia as it slaughtered the East Timorese, and to begin secret support for the mujahedin, from which came the Taliban and al-Qaeda. In the 1980s, the manufacture of an absurdity, the "threat" to America from popular movements in Central America, notably the Sandinistas in tiny Nicaragua, allowed President Reagan to arm and support terrorist groups such as the Contras, leaving an estimated 70,000 dead. That George W Bush's America gives refuge to hundreds of Latin American torturers, favoured murderous dictators and anti-Castro hijackers, terrorists by any definition, is almost never reported. Neither is the work of a "training school" at Fort Benning, Georgia, whose graduates would be the pride of Osama Bin Laden.

Americans, says Time magazine, live in "an eternal present". The point is, they have no choice. The"mainstream" media are now dominated by Rupert Murdoch's Fox television network, which had a good war. The Federal Communications Commission, run by Colin Powell's son Michael, is finally to deregulate television so that Fox and four other conglomerates control 90 per cent of the terrestrial and cable audience. Moreover, the leading 20 internet sites are now owned by the likes of Fox, Disney, AOL Time Warner and a clutch of other giants. Just 14 companies attract 60 per cent of the time all American web-users spend online.
full: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4304.htm
 
Arrests And Abuses By American Troops On The Rise In Iraq:
"They're treating us like cattle" Translated from Libération (Paris)

full: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4291.htm

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U.S. Changes Tactics in Violent Iraq City As of Tuesday, according to local officials, blood money had been paid to 26 families who suffered losses in the April killings: usually $1,500 for a fatality and $500 for an injury.

full: http://tinyurl.com/ik3g

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The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies About War and Terrorism

full: http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/stories/storyReader$526

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7 more cases of mystery illness:
Seven more soldiers in Iraq have contracted the same puzzling illness that has killed two soldiers

full: http://www.lakesunleader.com/display/inn_news/news1.txt

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Ex-Diplomat Joseph Wilson: Bush May Start Another War in 2004

full: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4290.htm
 
Bush press conference highlights government crisis
By David Walsh and Barry Grey
2 August 2003

The press conference held by George W. Bush on July 30 left the unmistakable impression of an administration in crisis. Wednesday’s session, held three days before the president was set to begin a month-long vacation at his Texas ranch, was just the ninth press conference of Bush’s term and the first since early March, before the invasion of Iraq.

It was only called after weeks of pressure from reporters, including a shouted request directed at the president by CBS News’ Bill Plante after an appearance by Bush the day before. Bill Clinton had held 33 news conferences by the same point in his first term, and George H.W. Bush, the current president’s father, had held 61.

The administration’s aversion to press conferences has two root causes: concerns on the part of Bush’s political handlers about his general lack of knowledge and limited mental capacities, and an obsession with secrecy that reflects the White House’s contempt for democracy.

Based on Bush’s performance July 30, his aversion to appearing before the press—even the servile crowd that comprises the White House press corps—is well founded. Despite the efforts of most reporters to lob innocuous questions, Bush proved himself incapable of formulating a coherent argument on any substantive issue. The 50-minute session was a confused collection of lies and evasions, interspersed with sound bites taken from the grab-bag of Bush administration propaganda.

The combination of arrogance and ignorance was most succinctly demonstrated in his remark about the assassination of Saddam Hussein’s sons. Bush noted that it was “important that Saddam’s sons were brought to justice.” Brought to justice? What charges were laid against the Hussein brothers? Before what legal body were they indicted, tried and convicted? The pair were summarily executed by US troops as part of the military conquest and colonial occupation of Iraq.
full: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/bush-a02.shtml
 
Some Iraqis hope looters will keep military away

When the soldiers fled as Saddam's regime fell, town officials installed a volunteer guard around the base to ward off looters. They wanted to use it as a youth recreation center.
But when town fathers heard reports that the Americans wanted to use the base to train a new Iraqi army, the security guards were withdrawn and the word went out: Tear it down.
http://redding.com/news/world/stories/20030803world078.shtml
 
UK and US still shoulder to shoulder

[Downing Street will seek to defend itself over the death of David Kelly by portraying the scientist as a Walter Mitty character who exaggerated his role in the Government's intelligence case against Iraq. ]
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=430354

[The former American diplomat who exposed false claims that Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Niger has accused members of the Bush administration of a dirty tricks campaign against him.]
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=430315
 
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