I hate myself for continuing this, but we weren’t talking about petit bourgeois. We were talking about petite bourgeoisie. It’s a different noun.
To be honest, I’m increasingly of the vote that maomao is right and we should stick with “petty”
Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?
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To be honest, I’m increasingly of the vote that maomao is right and we should stick with “petty”
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Exactly correct.
maomao
普費斯
Your finest sentence fragment ever. A slogan for a new era.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
As evidenced by my user name. I’ve been saddled with a grammatical error for quarter of a century. I hate myself every time I remember. Oh how erudite I must have thought myself, making a joke in another language. Hubris of titanic proportions. Every new day is an iceberg. But it’s a ship I’m going down with. The door isn’t big enough for Leo, so I’m not getting on there. Goodbye fair Ms Winslet! I was funny for two seconds decades ago! And me a pedant! Ignominy! Ignominy! They’ve all got it ignominy!
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Sure, ownership of the tools you use in your work is not the same as ownership (or more accurately control) of the means of production which is a social relationship as part of production under capitalism.
I like the putting out system an historic example.
Putting-out system - Wikipedia
The workers owned the tools but lacked the ability to effectively use them as means of production.
maomao
普費斯
I had always understood it as intentionally camp/feminine, Danny La Rue being a drag artist and all that. Danny le rouge would be a rubbish name. (and I think I've only just 'got' that you meant 'red' politically).
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Anyway looking up more news
Labour list. Labour are going to work with Europe law enforcement to,
All sounds very hard line.
labourlist.org
Labour list quote Amenity international response. Which I thought was good one. All this talk of security and smashing gangs. But where are the safe route?
www.amnesty.org.uk
And I agree with this,
Labour despite it's massive majority still think any slightly liberal approach to immigration and being soft on immigration will lose them support.
Or as I'd think this is typical labour party.
Maybe their advisors believe that when people say they want immigration controls this is what they want. Could be right.
Labour list. Labour are going to work with Europe law enforcement to,
All sounds very hard line.
Yvette Cooper announces crackdown on illegal migration with plans to increase deportations - LabourList
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced a clampdown on illegal migration, including recruiting 100 new investigation and intelligence…
labourlist.org
Labour list quote Amenity international response. Which I thought was good one. All this talk of security and smashing gangs. But where are the safe route?
UK: 'securitised' immigration measures will punish vulnerable people
We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.
And I agree with this,
Labour despite it's massive majority still think any slightly liberal approach to immigration and being soft on immigration will lose them support.
Or as I'd think this is typical labour party.
Maybe their advisors believe that when people say they want immigration controls this is what they want. Could be right.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
strange how labour are very happy to work with our european neighbours over this sort of thing but recoil in horror from schemes which would assist young people in moving around europe.Anyway looking up more news
Labour list. Labour are going to work with Europe law enforcement to,
All sounds very hard line.
Yvette Cooper announces crackdown on illegal migration with plans to increase deportations - LabourList
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced a clampdown on illegal migration, including recruiting 100 new investigation and intelligence…
Labour list quote Amenity international response. Which I thought was good one. All this talk of security and smashing gangs. But where are the safe route?
UK: 'securitised' immigration measures will punish vulnerable people
We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.
And I agree with this,
Labour despite it's massive majority still think any slightly liberal approach to immigration and being soft on immigration will lose them support.
Or as I'd think this is typical labour party.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The visa scheme for young people up to 30 years old was reasonable proposal from EU. And it would have got support from labours younger voters.
Making clear they aren't even going to look at it says to Labours younger voters Labour are taking their vote for granted.
At some point given their majority I would hope Labour stand up to right wing media/ those who froth at the mouth over immigration and represent those who vote for them
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think it works the other way around. Their huge majority allows them to ignore any objections that might come from what there is on the left in the backbenches.
Paradoxically perhaps, as we saw before with Blair, Labour with a big majority = more right wing.
Starmer & Co are right wing.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Prega.Speak for yourself, I can speak a gendered language just fine. Gracie
maomao
普費斯
I mean that while you're in the act of speaking English, the language governing parts of your brain are not considering grammatical gender. And my name's not Gracie.Speak for yourself, I can speak a gendered language just fine. Gracie
teqniq
DisMembered
I suspect when they talk about European law enforcement they particularly have Frontex in mind, whose methods are, to say the least unsavoury. Here are some links:
EU: Frontex Complicit in Abuse in Libya
The use by the EU’s border agency, Frontex, of aerial surveillance to enable the Libyan Coast Guard to intercept migrant boats, knowing that migrants and asylum seekers will face systematic and widespread abuse when forcibly returned to Libya, makes Frontex complicit in the abuse, Human Rights...
Frontex, UK strengthen border management cooperation
Kindly share this articleFrontex, the European Border and Coast Guard Agency, and the United Kingdom’s Home Office have signed a working arrangement to pave the way for close cooperation in border management and security. This formal signing embodies our joint commitment to enhancing safety and...
voiceforafricanmigrants.org
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I remember when it was all Fields here.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And they all wished you luck as they waved you goodbye.I remember when it was all Fields here.
Yeah, I kinda get your point, but I don't think gendering is too difficult to parse, or maybe its just me
Haha, gracie is a very casual, kinda feminine, way of saying gracias.
maomao
普費斯
It's not just you, 36% of the UK population is fluently bilingual.Yeah, I kinda get your point, but I don't think gendering is too difficult to parse, or maybe its just me
Ĝasper
Well-Known Member
Hi all, Thanks for hearing me out yesterday. Catholic priest Paul Murphy was stabbed in broad daylight in Galway last week. So I want to raise another concern, which is the attacks on Christianity. We've heard about the horrible attacks on Mosques upthread, but here is a list of Church burnings in the UK and Ireland over the last decade, from ChatGPT.
### Ireland:
1. St. Mel's Cathedral, Longford (December 2009)
- The cathedral was destroyed by an arson fire, and its restoration was completed in 2014.
2. St. Catherine's Church, Dublin (January 2012)
- The church was severely damaged in an arson attack.
3. Holy Cross Church, Charleville, County Cork (April 2016)
- The church sustained significant damage from an arson fire.
4. St. Michan's Church, Dublin (March 2019)
- Vandals set fires inside the crypt, damaging parts of the historic building and desecrating mummies.
5. Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin (August 2020)
- A small fire was set by an arsonist, causing minor damage.
6. St. Michan's Church, Dublin (June 2024)
- A fire severely damaged the crypt, destroying ancient mummies, including an 800-year-old "Crusader" mummy.
### United Kingdom:
1. All Saints Church, Fleet, Hampshire (June 2015)
- The church was completely destroyed in an arson attack, leading to an extensive rebuilding project.
2. St. Mary's Church, Ely, Cardiff (February 2020)
- An arson attack caused severe damage, destroying the roof and interior.
3. St. Matthew's Church, Belfast, Northern Ireland (July 2020)
- An arson attack occurred, but the fire was contained before causing significant damage.
4. St. John's Church, Little Thornton, Lancashire (September 2020)
- A deliberately set fire caused significant damage to this historic church.
5. St. Mary's Church, Wrexham, Wales (November 2020)
- The church was damaged after being set on fire in an act of arson.
6. St. Jude’s Church, London (April 2021)
- An arson attack caused significant damage to the church's interior and roof.
7. St. Simon's Church, Glasgow (July 2021)
- This historic Roman Catholic church was destroyed in an arson attack.
8. St. Andrew's Church, Glasgow (September 2022)
- A fire damaged the church's interior due to arson.
9. St Mark's Church, London (January 2024)
- A fire set by arsonists caused significant damage to the building.
### Ireland:
1. St. Mel's Cathedral, Longford (December 2009)
- The cathedral was destroyed by an arson fire, and its restoration was completed in 2014.
2. St. Catherine's Church, Dublin (January 2012)
- The church was severely damaged in an arson attack.
3. Holy Cross Church, Charleville, County Cork (April 2016)
- The church sustained significant damage from an arson fire.
4. St. Michan's Church, Dublin (March 2019)
- Vandals set fires inside the crypt, damaging parts of the historic building and desecrating mummies.
5. Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin (August 2020)
- A small fire was set by an arsonist, causing minor damage.
6. St. Michan's Church, Dublin (June 2024)
- A fire severely damaged the crypt, destroying ancient mummies, including an 800-year-old "Crusader" mummy.
### United Kingdom:
1. All Saints Church, Fleet, Hampshire (June 2015)
- The church was completely destroyed in an arson attack, leading to an extensive rebuilding project.
2. St. Mary's Church, Ely, Cardiff (February 2020)
- An arson attack caused severe damage, destroying the roof and interior.
3. St. Matthew's Church, Belfast, Northern Ireland (July 2020)
- An arson attack occurred, but the fire was contained before causing significant damage.
4. St. John's Church, Little Thornton, Lancashire (September 2020)
- A deliberately set fire caused significant damage to this historic church.
5. St. Mary's Church, Wrexham, Wales (November 2020)
- The church was damaged after being set on fire in an act of arson.
6. St. Jude’s Church, London (April 2021)
- An arson attack caused significant damage to the church's interior and roof.
7. St. Simon's Church, Glasgow (July 2021)
- This historic Roman Catholic church was destroyed in an arson attack.
8. St. Andrew's Church, Glasgow (September 2022)
- A fire damaged the church's interior due to arson.
9. St Mark's Church, London (January 2024)
- A fire set by arsonists caused significant damage to the building.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Possibly some connected to this kind of thing:
maomao
普費斯
Dunno about the priest but churches are generally not staffed at night and have long been a target for vandals. Is someone suggesting to you that this is a conspiracy? ChatGPT is notoriously unreliable when asked to provide factual information, could you provide your original source?
Yossarian
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Don't rely on ChatGPT, not going to check all the others but the very first entry is wrong about it being arson
Gardaí rule out arson in cathedral fire probe
Gardaí in Longford are satisfied that there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the fire that destroyed St Mel’s Cathedral.
No apparent connection to immigration in the second one - do any of these have anything to do with immigration? Is anybody suggesting that reducing immigration would reduce church fires?
Homeless man Patrick Currie (49) was found not guilty by reason of insanity last month after a trial at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court. His trial heard that he immediately admitted setting fire to straw behind a crib at the church with his own lighter and said he had done it because he was “God Almighty”.
“I am after burning that church out of it and now I am off to Rome to burn out the paedophiles” he told witnesses in a nearby hairdressers. He also signed his fingerprint consent forms at the Garda station as “Jesus Christ.”
Man who set fire to church sent to Central Mental Hospital
Accused (49) admitted to starting blaze that caused damage of €4 million
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Go for it, pointless ineffectual outrage is where Urban75 truly shines
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
ChatGPT is not a search engine. It makes things up, because that's what it was designed to do.
And those aren't actual attacks on Christianity, and they're nothing to do with immigration. There really aren't any attacks on Christianity - it's just gradually losing its hold. And in fact most churchgoers in big cities are immigrants or second generation so it'd be even weaker if it weren't for them.
And those aren't actual attacks on Christianity, and they're nothing to do with immigration. There really aren't any attacks on Christianity - it's just gradually losing its hold. And in fact most churchgoers in big cities are immigrants or second generation so it'd be even weaker if it weren't for them.
Ĝasper
Well-Known Member
I think Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, India, Lebanon, and Ethiopia are others.
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