Now we just need some people demanding to know if they’re middle class and we can call it a wrap.It's not a proper Urban P&P thread if we haven't had at least a few posts on the exact definitions of Marxist terminology. It's the perfect blend of old-fashioned left-wing politics and petty (petite?) pedantry.
I agree, but didnt Labour campaign that they'd invest in training and education so that industries arent as reliant on immigration in order to bring demand down and thus numbers down, rather than going on the offensive against immigration?
It's petit bourgeoisIt's not a proper Urban P&P thread if we haven't had at least a few posts on the exact definitions of Marxist terminology. It's the perfect blend of old-fashioned left-wing politics and petty (petite?) pedantry.
Yes, but pedanterie is feminine.It's petit bourgeois
No, it’s petite in the original, or petty if anglicisedIt's petit bourgeois
Le pédantisme (masc.) I think you'll findYes, but pedanterie is feminine.
Funny this a few years ago one of Son Q's mates was telling us that the Jobcentre had sent him on a cooking course.What passes as helping people is things like how to set up your own business. Do you like cooking then become an entrepreneur. Mickey mouse schemes that count as training
Le pédantisme (masc.) I think you'll find
Does that not depend on how tall they are?It's petit bourgeois
Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?
Round where I live, people were being sent on forklift truck driver courses in large numbers about 20 years ago. That was about the only course, so many on New Labour's New Deal scam were sent on that.Funny this a few years ago one of Son Q's mates was telling us that the Jobcentre had sent him on a cooking course.
I commented that I never had him pegged for the culinary sort, I'm not he replied but cooking course are cheap you can train more short order cooks for the same price as fewer electricians or plumbers. Squeeze more people through the system and tick more boxes.
Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?
There is some confusion with 'bourgeois' a collective masculine noun describing the class as a people which is correctly petit. Far easier just to always use 'petty' as English language brains aren't set up for gender.Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.
On the bottle already twat?I take it back, can we return to the name calling and subtle accusations of alcoholism.
I have just discovered that "petty" was used more than I imagined, but "petit" is still there, as in:Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.
According to my crap knowledge of French grammar, it's petit bourgeois (m) but petite bourgeoisie (f).Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?
It's pb gorn madAccording to my crap knowledge of French grammar, it's petit bourgeois (m) but petite bourgeoisie (f).
But it's important!!!!!!11!!This'll impress all those new posters.
Or is all rather petit?But it's important!!!!!!11!!
So, spelling is far left now, is it?Is it any wonder Starmer wants to distance himself and the Labour party from the far left. It's like a fucking endless Monty Python sketch.
Is it any wonder Starmer wants to distance himself and the Labour party from the far left. It's like a fucking endless Monty Python sketch.
I am tempted to work up some outrage about either a) calling salt of the earth plumbers and decorators 'petty' or b) the notion of genderless English brains, which I'm unsure whether is more offensive to trans people or TERFsThere is some confusion with 'bourgeois' a collective masculine noun describing the class as a people which is correctly petit. Far easier just to always use 'petty' as English language brains aren't set up for gender.
Exactly it is a dated term of phrase, but it is is just an analytical tool.
In these vicious and heartless times, with ever more austerity, increased punching down, the misogyny, racism and actual pogroms, as well as the expansion of other such capitalist vileness... where else will we get our little victories if not in pedantry over French grammar?Is it any wonder Starmer wants to distance himself and the Labour party from the far left. It's like a fucking endless Monty Python sketch.
For the record, all of that is dealt with in some depth and rigour in Dan Evan’s’ book, which I mentioned earlier. I can’t do it justice in one short post, so this is not intended to be either rigorous or in-depth. But his key point is that the defining feature of the pb is not the means of production but the precariousness of their class position, whereby they don’t have the security of the professional-managerial class, but they have some capital distinction (whether that be economic or cultural capital) from the proletariat that gives them something to lose. Evans thus distinguishes the call centre worker who comes from a working-class background and has no ambition to do anything but jobs like call centre work, from the call centre worker that is a university graduate with ambitions to eventually gain access to the professional-managerial class. One is content in their social role and open to collectivisation. The other is interested in personal ambition and individual social mobility.It is often used pejoratively though, it's naive to think otherwise. And I don't think it really applies to a self employed cleaner or a delivery driver forced to be self employed so their employer can dodge labor laws. They don't own the means of production unless you mean a moped or a mop, have no potential to exploit the labour of others and their interests are far more aligned with the working class than with a shopkeeper or restaurant owner. In many ways they are the exploited workers of the actual petite bourgeoise who frequently employ people on an ad hoc and informal basis to avoid their responsibilities as employers.
No, they are right. "Bourgeois" (without an "e") is a masculine adjective agreement. "Petite" (with an "e") is a feminine, and so wrong.Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?