Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Now we just need some people demanding to know if they’re middle class and we can call it a wrap.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
So far it looks like taking offensive on immigration.
Setting up training takes time. I can't see how it could be done quickly.
I live in area run by a labour council. There are two grant funded projects in my area. When the council first went on about them it was all about training/ education etc etc.
Two years down the line it's all been watered down. Bits gradually cut.
What passes as helping people is things like how to set up your own business. Do you like cooking then become an entrepreneur. Mickey mouse schemes that count as training
Whether this government puts resources into proper training remains to be seen
The other thing is it's correct imo to say that business in this country can't be arsed to invest in people and train them. That's someone else problem. It was easier to get someone from EU.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It's petit bourgeois
maomao
普費斯
Yes, but pedanterie is feminine.It's petit bourgeois
No, it’s petite in the original, or petty if anglicisedIt's petit bourgeois
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Funny this a few years ago one of Son Q's mates was telling us that the Jobcentre had sent him on a cooking course.
I commented that I never had him pegged for the culinary sort, I'm not he replied but cooking course are cheap you can train more short order cooks for the same price as fewer electricians or plumbers. Squeeze more people through the system and tick more boxes.
maomao
普費斯
Le pédantisme (masc.) I think you'll find
pédanterie - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
PTK
Paul Kegan
Does that not depend on how tall they are?It's petit bourgeois
Thank you for stepping. I was thinking that I was going senile, for I was sure that it was "petit" and not "petite".
PTK
Paul Kegan
Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?
PTK
Paul Kegan
Round where I live, people were being sent on forklift truck driver courses in large numbers about 20 years ago. That was about the only course, so many on New Labour's New Deal scam were sent on that.
maomao
普費斯
There is some confusion with 'bourgeois' a collective masculine noun describing the class as a people which is correctly petit. Far easier just to always use 'petty' as English language brains aren't set up for gender.
maomao
普費斯
PTK
Paul Kegan
I have just discovered that "petty" was used more than I imagined, but "petit" is still there, as in:
"The proletariat must accomplish the socialist revolution, allying to itself the mass of semi-proletarian elements of the population, so as to crush the bourgeoisie’s resistance by force and paralyze the instability of the peasantry and the petit bourgeoisie."
Lenin: Architect of the Worker-Peasant Alliance | MR Online
Among the many seminal theoretical contributions made by Lenin to Marxism was his pioneering of the concept of the worker-peasant alliance for a socialist revolution.
mronline.org
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
It's pb gorn mad
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
But it's important!!!!!!11!!
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Is it any wonder Starmer wants to distance himself and the Labour party from the far left. It's like a fucking endless Monty Python sketch.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Or is all rather petit?
PTK
Paul Kegan
So, spelling is far left now, is it?
Cid
Proper break this time
Bit harsh, some of those sketches were quite good.
lazythursday
Well-Known Member
I am tempted to work up some outrage about either a) calling salt of the earth plumbers and decorators 'petty' or b) the notion of genderless English brains, which I'm unsure whether is more offensive to trans people or TERFs
It is often used pejoratively though, it's naive to think otherwise. And I don't think it really applies to a self employed cleaner or a delivery driver forced to be self employed so their employer can dodge labour laws. They don't own the means of production unless you mean a moped or a mop, have no potential to exploit the labour of others and their interests are far more aligned with the working class than with a shopkeeper or restaurant owner. In many ways they are often the exploited workers of the actual petite bourgeoise who frequently employ people on an ad hoc and informal basis to avoid their responsibilities as employers.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
In these vicious and heartless times, with ever more austerity, increased punching down, the misogyny, racism and actual pogroms, as well as the expansion of other such capitalist vileness... where else will we get our little victories if not in pedantry over French grammar?
For the record, all of that is dealt with in some depth and rigour in Dan Evan’s’ book, which I mentioned earlier. I can’t do it justice in one short post, so this is not intended to be either rigorous or in-depth. But his key point is that the defining feature of the pb is not the means of production but the precariousness of their class position, whereby they don’t have the security of the professional-managerial class, but they have some capital distinction (whether that be economic or cultural capital) from the proletariat that gives them something to lose. Evans thus distinguishes the call centre worker who comes from a working-class background and has no ambition to do anything but jobs like call centre work, from the call centre worker that is a university graduate with ambitions to eventually gain access to the professional-managerial class. One is content in their social role and open to collectivisation. The other is interested in personal ambition and individual social mobility.
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