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Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?

I agree, but didnt Labour campaign that they'd invest in training and education so that industries arent as reliant on immigration in order to bring demand down and thus numbers down, rather than going on the offensive against immigration?

So far it looks like taking offensive on immigration.

Setting up training takes time. I can't see how it could be done quickly.

I live in area run by a labour council. There are two grant funded projects in my area. When the council first went on about them it was all about training/ education etc etc.

Two years down the line it's all been watered down. Bits gradually cut.

What passes as helping people is things like how to set up your own business. Do you like cooking then become an entrepreneur. Mickey mouse schemes that count as training

Whether this government puts resources into proper training remains to be seen

The other thing is it's correct imo to say that business in this country can't be arsed to invest in people and train them. That's someone else problem. It was easier to get someone from EU.
 
What passes as helping people is things like how to set up your own business. Do you like cooking then become an entrepreneur. Mickey mouse schemes that count as training
Funny this a few years ago one of Son Q's mates was telling us that the Jobcentre had sent him on a cooking course.
I commented that I never had him pegged for the culinary sort, I'm not he replied but cooking course are cheap you can train more short order cooks for the same price as fewer electricians or plumbers. Squeeze more people through the system and tick more boxes.
 
Funny this a few years ago one of Son Q's mates was telling us that the Jobcentre had sent him on a cooking course.
I commented that I never had him pegged for the culinary sort, I'm not he replied but cooking course are cheap you can train more short order cooks for the same price as fewer electricians or plumbers. Squeeze more people through the system and tick more boxes.
Round where I live, people were being sent on forklift truck driver courses in large numbers about 20 years ago. That was about the only course, so many on New Labour's New Deal scam were sent on that.
 
Oh yes, Wikipedia. So all the books and aticles I have seen over the past 50 years are wrong when they spell it "petit"?
Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.
 
Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.
There is some confusion with 'bourgeois' a collective masculine noun describing the class as a people which is correctly petit. Far easier just to always use 'petty' as English language brains aren't set up for gender.
 
Show me. I’ve seen petty and petite but I don’t recall seeing petit. Bourgeoisie is a feminine noun. It is anglicised as “petty”, which sounds like “petit”, but “petit” is not correct.
I have just discovered that "petty" was used more than I imagined, but "petit" is still there, as in:

"The proletariat must accomplish the socialist revolution, allying to itself the mass of semi-proletarian elements of the population, so as to crush the bourgeoisie’s resistance by force and paralyze the instability of the peasantry and the petit bourgeoisie."
 
There is some confusion with 'bourgeois' a collective masculine noun describing the class as a people which is correctly petit. Far easier just to always use 'petty' as English language brains aren't set up for gender.
I am tempted to work up some outrage about either a) calling salt of the earth plumbers and decorators 'petty' or b) the notion of genderless English brains, which I'm unsure whether is more offensive to trans people or TERFs
 
Exactly it is a dated term of phrase, but it is is just an analytical tool.

It is often used pejoratively though, it's naive to think otherwise. And I don't think it really applies to a self employed cleaner or a delivery driver forced to be self employed so their employer can dodge labour laws. They don't own the means of production unless you mean a moped or a mop, have no potential to exploit the labour of others and their interests are far more aligned with the working class than with a shopkeeper or restaurant owner. In many ways they are often the exploited workers of the actual petite bourgeoise who frequently employ people on an ad hoc and informal basis to avoid their responsibilities as employers.
 
Is it any wonder Starmer wants to distance himself and the Labour party from the far left. It's like a fucking endless Monty Python sketch.
In these vicious and heartless times, with ever more austerity, increased punching down, the misogyny, racism and actual pogroms, as well as the expansion of other such capitalist vileness... where else will we get our little victories if not in pedantry over French grammar?
 
It is often used pejoratively though, it's naive to think otherwise. And I don't think it really applies to a self employed cleaner or a delivery driver forced to be self employed so their employer can dodge labor laws. They don't own the means of production unless you mean a moped or a mop, have no potential to exploit the labour of others and their interests are far more aligned with the working class than with a shopkeeper or restaurant owner. In many ways they are the exploited workers of the actual petite bourgeoise who frequently employ people on an ad hoc and informal basis to avoid their responsibilities as employers.
For the record, all of that is dealt with in some depth and rigour in Dan Evan’s’ book, which I mentioned earlier. I can’t do it justice in one short post, so this is not intended to be either rigorous or in-depth. But his key point is that the defining feature of the pb is not the means of production but the precariousness of their class position, whereby they don’t have the security of the professional-managerial class, but they have some capital distinction (whether that be economic or cultural capital) from the proletariat that gives them something to lose. Evans thus distinguishes the call centre worker who comes from a working-class background and has no ambition to do anything but jobs like call centre work, from the call centre worker that is a university graduate with ambitions to eventually gain access to the professional-managerial class. One is content in their social role and open to collectivisation. The other is interested in personal ambition and individual social mobility.
 
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