No borders isn't raised on its own. Its not some sort of cure all. Its combined with demands for greater investment and, as you said, w/c control of housing, spending, jobs etc.
i have never noticed that .. i only ever see No Borders raised as a stand alone issue .. like i said i am against national borders .. the q. is how do we get there!!
Sure those are good demands, but why can't you combine them with demands for no borders?
because you need to start where people are .. otherwise we are already preaching to people .. seting ourselves apart .. increasing alienation
Yes and you rebuild it by challenging the divisions in the w/c created by racism and anti-immigrant rhetoric in the media/government/bnp.
of course .. but by supportting the current OPEN borders policy we are playing into the hands of the right
I'm part of my local no borders campaign group so I do that. And I argue that people won't be able to get those things while the w/c is divided and bosses use divisions between the w/c and immigrants to get them to scab on each other and undermine each others power.
good .. but the reason bosses are able to do this is because we do not fight for workers control over day to day life .. just talk in slogans etc etc
Yes it does cause by raising demands for no borders you highlight that it is capitalism which uses borders and nations to exploit workers and that no borders is something which will aid the w/c, not make its condition worse as people think it will now.
equally by raising issues over control of the streets / offices/factories etc etc
No, they see it WRONGLY as "no borders" and blame immigrants, and by raising the demand for their actually being no borders we show them how it is borders which allow capitalism to do what it does now, not the supposed lack of them.
but there is no border now in the EU!!! i agree borders are used to control .. but again how do we build a movemnet to destroy them .. not thru demand that make no immediate sense
Yes they are open but only for capitalism and its wants, they are not open to everyone which is the reason why demand they get rid of them completeley.
of course!!??
First, what does that have to do with anything? Secondly, I live in Leeds.
as london has had a recent massive influx of EU workers .. aand check the FT on monday i think where it is suggestted the large leap in unemployment in yorks relates to East europe EU workers
Setting up no borders campaign groups, starting asylum seeker campaigns to bring together immigrants and the local w/c to campaign together on these issues. How are you achieving workers control?
oh my oh my .. those things do not work.. at risk of being type cast i follow iwca/HI work .. i am not saying that support for asylum seekers is not good or usefull .. but it will change nothing and do nothing in the long term for them and their countries
Where do you think we are starting? Who else do you think we try and involve in our campaigns except local workers, youth and immigrants? We know that its only pressure from the w/c which can bring about no borders so we campaign to involve the w/c in struggle.
see above .. check out IWCA and Hackney Independent web sites
