If you have it, have had it, are pretty sure you have it, tell us about it?

[Winot]

Not according to govt advice:

If other household members develop symptoms during this period, you do not need to isolate for longer than 10 days.

Correct - you are allowed out despite your wife’s symptoms. The rationale is that you are unlikely to catch it twice and so are assumed to be no longer infectious.

 

[ice-is-forming]

I've been wondering about this... If someone is due a vaccine but gets covid prior to it, does it get cancelled? What about people who have had covid, do they get automatically taken off vaccination list? Don't expect anyone here to know... Just wondering.

My dad was booked in to have a vaccination but it was cancelled as he caught covid. Now he's been instructed by his Gp that he can't have the vaccination until four weeks after his isolation period is up, and that he'll automatically be sent another apt.

 

[souljacker]

Correct - you are allowed out despite your wife’s symptoms. The rationale is that you are unlikely to catch it twice and so are assumed to be no longer infectious.

Hurray! I'm off to the pub!

Errr...hold on....

 

[Orang Utan]

Correct - you are allowed out despite your wife’s symptoms. The rationale is that you are unlikely to catch it twice and so are assumed to be no longer infectious.

but surely you're still in contact with the infected person, so could be carrying the infection around?

 

[Winot]

but surely you're still in contact with the infected person, so could be carrying the infection around?

I’m not medically trained, are you?

Here are the NHS guidelines:

COVID-19 symptoms and what to do

Find out about the symptoms of COVID-19, what to do if you or your child has them and when to get medical help.

www.nhs.uk

“The 10 days does not restart if a different person you live with gets symptoms while you're self-isolating.”

 

[girasol]

My dad was booked in to have a vaccination but it was cancelled as he caught covid. Now he's been instructed by his Gp that he can't have the vaccination until four weeks after his isolation period is up, and that he'll automatically be sent another apt.

Interesting... People are still getting vaccinated even if they have had it. I'm thinking why not give that dose to someone else, as they'll be immune for a few months? There's probably a good reason, but isn't this like giving someone a flu vaccine after they had flu? Just trying to understand... The dose could go to someone who hasn't had it yet.

 

[ice-is-forming]

Interesting... People are still getting vaccinated even if they have had it. I'm thinking why not give that dose to someone else, as they'll be immune for a few months? There's probably a good reason, but isn't this like giving someone a flu vaccine after they had flu? Just trying to understand... The dose could go to someone who hasn't had it yet.

What you're saying makes sense. Maybe it'll be something they revise, much like they've revised the schedule so that more people can have one dose now and then the second later.

But when I actually had a conversation about this with my dad earlier, he's under no illusion that he almost died and as there hasn't been anything that 100% confirms how long or strong immunity may be, and he's not been offered a test for antibodies he's firm that he needs a vaccination to keep him safe until his gp tells him otherwise

 

[Cloo]

I am now pretty convinced I did have it at the beginning, before there were tests for public outside hospital - FWIW now. I've heard of several people having positive tests with the symptoms I experienced (fatigue, achiness, sore throat on and off for fortnight). I was travelling for 1.5hours a day, four days a week on the tube leading up to that point, so I was in a pole position to catch it early, especially given I do catch everything.

In laws had similar symptoms end of last month, and my sis in law, who is in a bubble with them, has just had a positive test so her parents - who were in denial at the time - have decided they must have had it after all. So that's good, as they're over 70 and now they've had it so they should be safe in the period until they get vaccinated - which, as mentioned above, might be a moot point now, but then they didn't have a test so they probably should JIC.

I don't know why they don't mention fatigue specifically as a core symptom to be tested after? IIRC it is the one symptom reported by the most people ( >80%), more than coughing or fever, and viral fatigue is quite distinctive from ordinary tiredness, so I don't think you'd get loads of people going for a test because just haven't slept well.

 

[thismoment]

Is a sore mouth/mouth ulcers a Covid symptom? I've suddenly got a dirty great sore patch like an ulcer or a scald on the gum below my molars on one side. Noticed it this morning and it's got rapidly very painful (just had to take paracetamol because talking hurts). Not got any of the classic symptoms and don't feel ill but this is very unusual for me. Have had a very mildly dicky tummy the last day or two but due my period so might just be that

A friend of mine says that she gets mouth ulcers when she is very stressed.

 

[Edie]

I am now pretty convinced I did have it at the beginning, before there were tests for public outside hospital - FWIW now. I've heard of several people having positive tests with the symptoms I experienced (fatigue, achiness, sore throat on and off for fortnight). I was travelling for 1.5hours a day, four days a week on the tube leading up to that point, so I was in a pole position to catch it early, especially given I do catch everything.

In laws had similar symptoms end of last month, and my sis in law, who is in a bubble with them, has just had a positive test so her parents - who were in denial at the time - have decided they must have had it after all. So that's good, as they're over 70 and now they've had it so they should be safe in the period until they get vaccinated - which, as mentioned above, might be a moot point now, but then they didn't have a test so they probably should JIC.

I don't know why they don't mention fatigue specifically as a core symptom to be tested after? IIRC it is the one symptom reported by the most people ( >80%), more than coughing or fever, and viral fatigue is quite distinctive from ordinary tiredness, so I don't think you'd get loads of people going for a test because just haven't slept well.

Agree about the fatigue. Was unlike anything I’d ever experienced. I felt like a sloth!

 

[weepiper]

A friend of mine says that she gets mouth ulcers when she is very stressed.

Yes, I am wondering if that's all it is. Have decided not to get a test unless I start getting other symptoms that I can't explain as a reaction to all the monumental fuckery going on in the world.

 

[Cloo]

Agree about the fatigue. Was unlike anything I’d ever experienced. I felt like a sloth!

I wasn't bedridden or anything in my case but it was very noticeable and I couldn't face socialising or doing everyday stuff on the days it was bad (I had like 3 days of it, 3 days off, another 3 days of it, 4 days off, 3 days of it, then one bad day and then it went)

 

[Oula]

I'm quite confused about the level of immunity having had it gives you. I've read studies saying you should be immune for at least 6 months. I know someone who's had an antibody test that measures levels and had been told they got about a year's immunity (as in they had it 10 months ago and have about 2 months left). But they're is such caution about saying that people have any immunity. I wonder if this is partly because if people who think they had it early in before tests were available but may not have had it, and also to stop people having covid parties to try and catch it?
My in laws feel more at risk from us now that we've had it than they did before. My parents are the other way, my dad is totally relaxed that we are not a risk in any way now. Which is right?

 

[Cloo]

Yes, I totally get being cautious - for one thing it is very long time before they can be sure how long immunity lasts; and, as you say they don't want to say 'Yes it's fine' even if they were pretty certain you're immune for ages because then, as you say, everyone would be going around going 'It's OK, I've had it' and if you're wrong about the immunity then everything's made much worse.

This sort of thing seems to be a central issue conspiracy types don't get - that advice changes not because people were lying or they're using it to control everyone in whatever way is convenient - it's because it's novel and barely been with the world a year; it will be a long time before we can really understand it as there's a limit to how much you can prove in a laboratory. I guess/hope we will know quite a lot more in the UK after this winter, but there will still be lots to learn over the next year. Some precautions we have taken may turn out to have been unnecessary, but them's the breaks with a novel virus - you have to assume the worst, eg that you don't get immunity, that you could be infectious for a while without symptoms, that it might survive a long time or surfaces and so forth until you know otherwise.

 

[zahir]

I don't know why they don't mention fatigue specifically as a core symptom to be tested after? IIRC it is the one symptom reported by the most people ( >80%), more than coughing or fever

I've assumed that the choice of the three core symptoms was a political decision related to rationing access to testing.

 

[2hats]

I'm quite confused about the level of immunity having had it gives you. I've read studies saying you should be immune for at least 6 months. I know someone who's had an antibody test that measures levels and had been told they got about a year's immunity (as in they had it 10 months ago and have about 2 months left). But they're is such caution about saying that people have any immunity. I wonder if this is partly because if people who think they had it early in before tests were available but may not have had it, and also to stop people having covid parties to try and catch it?
My in laws feel more at risk from us now that we've had it than they did before. My parents are the other way, my dad is totally relaxed that we are not a risk in any way now. Which is right?

We are seeing very mixed antibody responses across populations in various studies. At the moment the only solid evidence is for at least 6 months naturally acquired immunity in healthy adults. Also, given both the fairly rapid evolution of variants and anecdotal reinfection incidences, I wouldn't assume much more than a few months if healthy, at this time. Irrespective, everyone should behave all the time as if they and everyone else are both infected and infectious.

 

[Looby]

I'm quite confused about the level of immunity having had it gives you. I've read studies saying you should be immune for at least 6 months. I know someone who's had an antibody test that measures levels and had been told they got about a year's immunity (as in they had it 10 months ago and have about 2 months left). But they're is such caution about saying that people have any immunity. I wonder if this is partly because if people who think they had it early in before tests were available but may not have had it, and also to stop people having covid parties to try and catch it?
My in laws feel more at risk from us now that we've had it than they did before. My parents are the other way, my dad is totally relaxed that we are not a risk in any way now. Which is right?

I think you (and they) are understandably looking for certainty where there isn’t any at the moment. It seems to vary so much we just can’t know yet.
It’s

 

[Fez909]

Going for a walk outdoors I felt like a midget riding on top of a pair of giant robot legs that would plod on tirelessly in whatever direction they were set.

I love this sentence

 

[Doodler]

Post-pandemic use for a pulse oximeter: improvised lie detector for party games.

 

[Aladdin]

Today was my first day trying to do more than just lie on the bed and sleeping and posting on here.

Found my legs very wobbly and was out of breath just talking at online meetings. Just not been talking much the past 2 weeks.

I am on day 13 of self isolation. Cough is not at all bad. But I had not realised I was actually this wrecked? Shaking a bit too. However I have absolutely no temperature. In fact its only 35.5. I am immunosuppressed though.
Eating ok ish. No loss of sense of taste or smell.
I am petrified of phoning the gp. I feel I will end up going to a test centre. And if positive they will only say to stay in my room and watch my breathing and o2. O2 levels are ok btw.

Just a bit scared that even though I am not a close contact and have been indoors for months that I might have piked it up.

The only thing that haooened at Christmas was gifts left on the doorstep and also one quick run to drop some misdirected post to a neighbour. I wore a mask though and didn't get closer than 8 feet from them.

And then my brother came for a Christmas meal. But he is not positive and is tested regularly for the job...also he sat 9 feet away in the ktchen at a separate table turned side on to rest of us...and I had the extractor fan on and windows open.

Am I being a total Hypochondriac?

 

[Brainaddict]

Why not get a postal test SK? You don't have to speak to your doctor and at least you will have more information rather than wondering all the time. I also don't think there's a need to be worried about speaking to your doctor tho - you still remain in control of what you do.

 

[Orang Utan]

Why not get a postal test SK? You don't have to speak to your doctor and at least you will have more information rather than wondering all the time. I also don't think there's a need to be worried about speaking to your doctor tho - you still remain in control of what you do.

Not sure you can get one in Ireland

 

[kalidarkone]

Today was my first day trying to do more than just lie on the bed and sleeping and posting on here.

Found my legs very wobbly and was out of breath just talking at online meetings. Just not been talking much the past 2 weeks.

I am on day 13 of self isolation. Cough is not at all bad. But I had not realised I was actually this wrecked? Shaking a bit too. However I have absolutely no temperature. In fact its only 35.5. I am immunosuppressed though.
Eating ok ish. No loss of sense of taste or smell.
I am petrified of phoning the gp. I feel I will end up going to a test centre. And if positive they will only say to stay in my room and watch my breathing and o2. O2 levels are ok btw.

Just a bit scared that even though I am not a close contact and have been indoors for months that I might have piked it up.

The only thing that haooened at Christmas was gifts left on the doorstep and also one quick run to drop some misdirected post to a neighbour. I wore a mask though and didn't get closer than 8 feet from them.

And then my brother came for a Christmas meal. But he is not positive and is tested regularly for the job...also he sat 9 feet away in the ktchen at a separate table turned side on to rest of us...and I had the extractor fan on and windows open.

Am I being a total Hypochondriac?

No.
If your brother is using the lateral flow tests, then they are not very reliable.
Even with the vaccine it is not known if it can still be passed on or not......

Hope you feel better soon xxx

 

[Aladdin]

No.
If your brother is using the lateral flow tests, then they are not very reliable.
Even with the vaccine it is not known if it can still be passed on or not......

Hope you feel better soon xxx

Thanks kalidarkone
I'm fine as long as I am not exerting myself. But even making the bed had me in a lather.
Just reminds me of every time I've been at the aftermath of pneumonia except I didnt have any fever or obvious breathing problems.
It's just an effort to do much more than lie down.
I have not coughed at all today so far.
But I think I will contact the gp again and ask about a test. If anything just even for some reassurance.

 

[kalidarkone]

Thanks kalidarkone
I'm fine as long as I am not exerting myself. But even making the bed had me in a lather.
Just reminds me of every time I've been at the aftermath of pneumonia except I didnt have any fever or obvious breathing problems.
It's just an effort to do much more than lie down.
I have not coughed at all today so far.
But I think I will contact the gp again and ask about a test. If anything just even for some reassurance.

Not everyone has a temperature or a cough or breathing difficulties. But fatigue and feeling low and generally unwell are symptoms identified by the zoe covid app.....and of course you could have no symptoms. Yes get it checked xxx

 

[Sunray]

I'm quite confused about the level of immunity having had it gives you. I've read studies saying you should be immune for at least 6 months. I know someone who's had an antibody test that measures levels and had been told they got about a year's immunity (as in they had it 10 months ago and have about 2 months left). But they're is such caution about saying that people have any immunity. I wonder if this is partly because if people who think they had it early in before tests were available but may not have had it, and also to stop people having covid parties to try and catch it?
My in laws feel more at risk from us now that we've had it than they did before. My parents are the other way, my dad is totally relaxed that we are not a risk in any way now. Which is right?

I've posted this elsewhere but he's good
Post infection immunity

Me and quite a few of my friends got it last March. None of us has got it twice.

If you get an infection and the pathogen doesn't mutate, you pretty much have life long immunity. This is why we need new vaccines yearly for the flu, it has a very high mutation rate and there are a lot of flu viruses.
Antibodies are produced in the body by your immune system in response to seeing a foreign body. They are not the only reason you won't get sick in the future.
Vaccinations on the other hand do fade over time, hence the need for booster shots.

How advances in immunology provide insight into improving vaccine efficacy

Vaccines represent one of the most compelling examples of how biomedical research has improved society by saving lives and dramatically reducing the burden of infectious disease. Despite the importance of vaccinology, we are still in the early stages ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[2hats]

Me and quite a few of my friends got it last March. None of us has got it twice.

Here's another anecdote:
Me and quite a few of my friends got it last March (confirmed by testing). Several of us are now reinfected (confirmed by testing).

If you get an infection and the pathogen doesn't mutate, you pretty much have life long immunity.

How advances in immunology provide insight into improving vaccine efficacy

Vaccines represent one of the most compelling examples of how biomedical research has improved society by saving lives and dramatically reducing the burden of infectious disease. Despite the importance of vaccinology, we are still in the early stages ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Natural infection will often elicit lifelong immunity" is not the same as "you pretty much have life long immunity".

 

[elbows]

Also take a look at this investigation regarding immunity to the other, existing, 'seasonal' human coronaviruses:

Seasonal coronavirus protective immunity is short-lasting - Nature Medicine

The durability of immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is unknown. Lessons from seasonal coronavirus infections in humans show that reinfections can occur within 12 months of initial infection, coupled with changes in levels of virus-specific antibodies.

www.nature.com

 

[Sunray]

Here's another anecdote:
Me and quite a few of my friends got it last March (confirmed by testing). Several of us are now reinfected (confirmed by testing).

"Natural infection will often elicit lifelong immunity" is not the same as "you pretty much have life long immunity".

Do you read or watch things? I'll quote you an important section of the paper I posted.

Although natural infection will often elicit lifelong immunity, almost all current vaccines require booster vaccination in order to achieve durable protective humoral immune responses, regardless of whether the vaccine is based on infection with replicating live-attenuated vaccine strains of the specific pathogen or whether they are derived from immunization with inactivated, non-replicating vaccines or subunit vaccines.

And from the current on-going study on post infection immunity Dr John Cambell above is referring
https://www.journalofinfection.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0163-4453(20)30781-7


Is is this anecdotal? These are health care workers (HCW) so possibly much more likely to be in contact with covid patients.

 

[2hats]

Do you read or watch things? I'll quote you an important section of the paper I posted.

Thanks for confirming that you don't.

Although natural infection will often elicit lifelong immunity

Is is this anecdotal?

Your anecdote is.

* plonk *