Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[LDC]

I'm not an expert but it seems to be the even at its best the whole Arab world is a very extreme and some might say unpleasant place. Tribal war, religious war, corruption, cruelty and fanaticism. In my opinion men take the rights from women when they can. If they can get away with controlling women they will. Just look at the fight women had to get the vote in this country. The whole situation is deeply unsettling and I'm not too keen on this white man's burden approach of it being our duty to taking dangerous and damaged people.

It's a good and wonderful thing to help others but it must be done in a way which doesn't cause innocent women to be harmed. But I find it very difficult to know what to do. And the scary awful part is, all this is 1,000,000 miles away from the kindness and good will that is needed between different cultures. Take the Polish Romanian migrants to the UK, on the whole they are so charming and winning it's hard not to be very fond of them. One can only hope that things work out somehow with the situation in Germany.

I just don't know where to start with that post.

 

[Pickman's model]

I just don't know where to start with that post.

it's shit, the sentiments it expresses are shit, its politics are shit and sure as shit is shit you'll never get back the shitty minute it took to read

 

[Athos]

I'm not an expert but it seems to be the even at its best the whole Arab world is a very extreme and some might say unpleasant place. Tribal war, religious war, corruption, cruelty and fanaticism. In my opinion men take the rights from women when they can. If they can get away with controlling women they will. Just look at the fight women had to get the vote in this country. The whole situation is deeply unsettling and I'm not too keen on this white man's burden approach of it being our duty to taking dangerous and damaged people.

It's a good and wonderful thing to help others but it must be done in a way which doesn't cause innocent women to be harmed. But I find it very difficult to know what to do. And the scary awful part is, all this is 1,000,000 miles away from the kindness and good will that is needed between different cultures. Take the Polish Romanian migrants to the UK, on the whole they are so charming and winning it's hard not to be very fond of them. One can only hope that things work out somehow with the situation in Germany.

Went downhill after the first four words.

 

[Greebozz]

Went downhill after the first four words.

I think it carries a lot of weight, when one puts the time and energy to write a fair number of words. If you are pleased by the idea of writing a one line putdown, I would say you weren't fully developed.

 

[Athos]

I think it carries a lot of weight...

The weight of your own stupidity.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it carries a lot of weight, when one puts the time and energy to write a fair number of words. If you are pleased by the idea of writing a one line putdown, I would say you weren't fully developed.

one line is one more than your post deserved

 

[Greebozz]

The weight of your own stupidity.

I am not impressed by anyone who post one line rude comments, I've put you on my ignore list. It takes far better and wittier insults to impress me.

 

[Athos]

I am not impressed by anyone who post one line rude comments, I've put you on my ignore list. It takes far better and wittier insults to impress me.

Probably went over your head.

 

[Spymaster]

What terrifies me about this, and the incidents of mass rape discussed earlier is that in part it seems to result from men simply being in a situation where they feel they can get away with it. Just how many men are prepared to rape when in a consequence free environment. I really worry that it could be a lot more than we would like to think.

I actually don't believe that it would be possible to get 1000 geezers together in one place, at the same time, ALL of whom were prepared to sexually assault or rape women. How many people do you know that would do it? I don't know ANY man (and have no historical acquaintances that I'm aware of) who would do it.

What's likely happened here is that there were around 1000 people present in total (the videos seem to support this), a couple of small groups were going around noncing without the knowledge of the others, and everyone's been tarred with the same shitty brush.

One thousand blokes .... ALL sex-cases?

Do me favour.

But never mind that. Let's shoot into the crowd.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not impressed by anyone who post one line rude comments, I've put you on my ignore list. It takes far better and wittier insults to impress me.

brave sir robin

 

[Spymaster]

I was reading a harrowing account there of a Swedish woman who'd been lured to an asylum centre on false pretences and held captive . Gang raped for over seven hours by a bunch of afghans . She's now confined to a wheelchair in a mental facility , faecally incontinent. Same age as her, 2 kids . Life ruined for good. By a bunch of cunts. Some of whom got off, the rest of whom got slaps on the wrist sentence wise . A few years . And the minister for immigration or whatever denounced those who called for their deportation as racists .

Where did you read this?

Can we have a link please?

I've also read about rape in reception centres and have no doubt that it's happened, but have difficulty believing that anyone would denounce calls for the deportation of blokes that raped and crippled a woman, as racist.

 

[frogwoman]

Eastern Europe bristles after Cologne | Europe | DW.COM | 09.01.2016


Nobody could have predicted this.

Only 9 days into 2016 ffs

 

[dweller]

I actually don't believe that it would be possible to get 1000 geezers together in one place, at the same time, ALL of whom were prepared to sexually assault or rape women. How many people do you know that would do it? I don't know ANY man (and have no historical acquaintances that I'm aware of) who would do it.

What's likely happened here is that there were around 1000 people present in total (the videos seem to support this), a couple of small groups were going around noncing without the knowledge of the others, and everyone's been tarred with the same shitty brush.

One thousand blokes .... ALL sex-cases?

Do me favour.

But never mind that. Let's shoot into the crowd.

That disturbing video from Tahir Square posted earlier shows what is possible. Mobs can act in a way that an individual never would. Crowd psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[frogwoman]

Is there any more info on the men that allegedly gang raped two teenage girls in another german town? Have they been charged?

 

[treelover]

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Apparently hundreds of men attacked a nightclub(Elephant club) in Bielfeld on NYE, club has video of it, wtf, note this is on DW's German page, and is linked from a right wing site, but I don't think it is fake

Complaints now from just Cologne 379, A large minority of the reported crimes were said to be of a sexual nature. "Those in focus of criminal police investigations are mostly people from North African countries. The majority of them are asylum seekers and people who are in Germany illegally," police said. This is seminal for the country, If I was a woman in germany i would be pretty worried now, even a male for that matter. I find it incomprehensible, if these men were frustrated(and not just wanted to show who they think has dominion over others ) why didn't they go and a wank or something.

 

[Spymaster]

The police should have barrel bombed the entire area.

With you in the barrel.

You fuckwitted knob cheese.

 

[treelover]

Spy, did you see my post, it looks like an element of the migrant population has declared war on Germany, disasterous for the families, etc.

 

[frogwoman]

Complaints now from just Cologne 379, A large minority of the reported crimes were said to beof a sexual nature. This is seminal for the country,

Somewhat poor choice of words there

 

[Spymaster]

Spy, did you see my post

Which one? I'm playing catch-up.

 

[treelover]

Somewhat poor choice of words there

Not deliberate, decent phrase to use

 

[treelover]

Btw, the Cologne police are in real trouble, they originally said it was a peaceful evening!

 

[8115]

Spy, did you see my post, it looks like an element of the migrant population has declared war on Germany, disasterous for the families, etc.

That's a big statement.

I was just wondering about this, whether the relevant fact is being male or (?) migrant (hate that word, it already has all the connotations and maybe more of immigrant). As in, do people just commit sex crimes at a pretty standard rate and the kind plays out differently in different societies and situations. I'm definitely not convinced its the opposite. What a terrible mess, anyway.

 

[Sasaferrato]

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Apparently hundreds of men attacked a nightclub(Elephant club) in Bielfeld on NYE, club has video of it, wtf, note this is on DW's German page, and is linked from a right wing site, but I don't think it is fake

Complaints now from just Cologne 379, A large minority of the reported crimes were said to be of a sexual nature. "Those in focus of criminal police investigations are mostly people from North African countries. The majority of them are asylum seekers and people who are in Germany illegally," police said. This is seminal for the country, If I was a woman in germany i would be pretty worried now, even a male for that matter. I find it incomprehensible, if these men were frustrated(and not just wanted to show who they think has dominion over others ) why didn't they go and a wank or something.

I have a friend in Bielefeld, who confirms the attack on the clubs, he said scores though, not hundreds.

(Amazing the spin-off from posting on a stamps related web site, gives you contacts from five miles away, to the other side of the globe.)

 

[treelover]

Yes, scores, people need to get the number right and not the first time its happened such attacks happen here, its the sexual assaults that change things.

 

[Spymaster]

In my opinion men take the rights from women when they can. If they can get away with controlling women they will.

That's quite an indictment of your opinion.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I think you may have misread your audience here Bernie.

Yeah well. It was kind of lazy of me not to really explain what I meant, but I was heading out and in a hurry.

What I was really getting at was that any account of 'this happened because' that's worth listening to has to recognise that causation is complex, especially in this sort of case.

I can see any number of arguments on this thread where someone who has latched on to one thread of explanation and is yelling at someone else who has latched onto a different one with neither party recognising that multiple causes and kinds of cause are likely to be operating at the same time.

 

[Athos]

Where did you read this?

Can we have a link please?

I've also read about rape in reception centres and have no doubt that it's happened, but have difficulty believing that anyone would denounce calls for the deportation of blokes that raped and crippled a woman, as racist.

I suspect this is a reference to the Mariannelund case; I've seen it widely reported, but never in any reputable forum. Always seems to be the long pre-amble to a bit about a socialist said it'd be racist to send them back. Would be interested to see if it's true.

 

[Spymaster]

Would be interested to see if it's true.

Me too.

 

[pocketscience]

If I was a young Arab, I sincerely expect I would be utterly consumed with rage at the machinations of foreign policy, loathing and despising western powers with every fibre of my being...and to then be forced to seek refuge in the very countries responsible for my subjugation would, I have no doubt, lead me to incendiary levels of hatred. but, as we are seeing everywhere, society is breaking down into smaller categories and a nasty divide and rule manipulation appears to have become a default instinct. Consequently, rightly or wrongly, I will look for affirmation to the groups and affiliations which have been nourishing and supportive...and since my political education was focused on more on gender, rather than class, this is the highly likely to be where my personal battle-lines are drawn. I admit to feeling confused, angry, bewildered by these attacks and require more than mealy-mouthed excuses and absolutely lack the levels of tolerance and forgiveness to see roving groups of youngish men with anything other than an instinctive anxiety. I cannot see any workable solutions to what is, at bottom, a vicious re-allocation of diminishing resources...and suspect that many of us are going to be drawn into fighting to preserve a way of life which is being stolen from us by a rapacious minority of global capitalists. Cowardly sexual molestation of women does seem to mark the limit of my tolerance, I 'm afraid to say (damn me for a racist or western despot type)...and right now, I am finding it very hard indeed to find common cause with marauding bands of men.

Except that nobody was forced to seek refuge in Europe.

 

[pocketscience]

I honestly don't understand why you think it's harmful, or immoral, to pursue the maximum amount of knowledge in order to achieve the fullest possible understanding of events. Why do you insist that we limit our response to denunciations of the criminals' evil personalities? What's your problem with history?

Yet you keep banging on about western imperialism like it can be the only factor.
What about the cultural attitudes towards women of some of the perpetrators?
Did alcohol consumption for the first ever time in their lives play a part?

WW2 displaced millions of people yet nowhere was mass sexual assault a result.