Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[J Ed]

Chaos and Violence: How New Year's Eve in Cologne Has Changed Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Run down of the events of the night. Fucking grim.

Wohlfahrt first heard reports of sexual assaults over his police radio. He also heard that a female colleague had become a victim of violence. She had been together with two other officers dressed in civilian clothes in order to track down pickpockets and petty thieves when she was surrounded and indecently touched while others tried to steal her bag. From a police report, Wohlfahrt later learned that, because of the "complexity of the situation as a whole," the "deployment of uniformed officers" to protect the policewoman "had not been possible."

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Edit: Not specifically questions aimed at you, LBJ nor anything in the post. Just a general post about the relation of western imperialism to this.

Ok, but I will respond as to how it is relevant. Not to the behaviour, but to the existence, of the refugees. Very specifically, taking Syria and Iraq, these two countries exist because France and the UK specifically created them. And they created them with borders that slice through cultural and religious groups - very purposely done in order to pit one group against another in the region. Classic divide and rule. That's not ancient history, and it's a crucial factor in understanding how these countries are fracturing now.

That is why it is relevant in answering the question being posed by some on this thread 'why should this be our problem?'

 

[treelover]

Suprised Femen haven't arrived yet, can't be long.

 

[Anudder Oik]

IMO this is a necessary response to anyone asking 'why did we let them in?' And yes, then you have the separate issue of how to deal with this horrible thing. But some are going the full Enoch on this stuff.

"We" had no choice in the matter. They are here purely because of the capitalist economic narrative. This has notrhing at all to do with humanitarian aid and everything to do with keeping wages low, weakening the unions and making the economy more competitive so as to be able to face off against China where they already have an advantage of even cheaper labour.

 

[Casually Red]

If you were being gang raped right in front of police would you not want them to consider this option in order to save you ?

 

[Casually Red]

"We" had no choice in the matter. They are here purely because of the capitalist economic narrative. This has notrhing at all to do with humanitarian aid and everything to do with keeping wages low, weakening the unions and making the economy more competitive so as to be able to face off against China where they already have an advantage of even cheaper labour.

Merkel the humanitarian ....we are in fucking wonderland . La la land .

 

[J Ed]

"We" had no choice in the matter. They are here purely because of the capitalist economic narrative. This has notrhing at all to do with humanitarian aid and everything to do with keeping wages low, weakening the unions and making the economy more competitive so as to be able to face off against China where they already have an advantage of even cheaper labour.

Exactly this but the neoliberal state can rely on parts of the left to discipline those pointing this out, accusing them of racism or whatever.

 

[Casually Red]

Ok, but I will respond as to how it is relevant. Not to the behaviour, but to the presence, of the refugees. Very specifically, taking Syria and Iraq, these two countries exist because France and the UK specifically created them. And they created them with borders that slice through cultural and religious groups - very purposely done in order to pit one group against another in the region. Classic divide and rule. That's not ancient history, and it's a crucial factor in understanding how these countries are fracturing now.

That is why it is relevant in answering the question being posed by some on this thread 'why should this be our problem?'

So Germany should deport them all to France and Britain. Same goes for Sweden and Norway ...all those countries . They didn't draw those borders .

 

[D'wards]

No matter how much people whine about "racial profiling" it, rightly, goes on with law enforcement agencies all the time. Some crimes are too serious to fanny about being politically correct. We know that some nationalities resident in the UK are more likely to be involved with certain crimes. When its things like child sex trafficking, they know where the offenders are from, and warning signs to look out for. If you are a Moldovan man travelling with a child who is not yours, expect to be fully turned over and shut the fuck up about it.
When you ignore these things you get the Rochdale child sex ring.
And if these nationalities in Germany are now proven to be overly involved in the rape and serious sexual assault of women, measures will need to be taken, because its too serious a crime not to.

 

[Spymaster]

If you were being gang raped right in front of police would you not want them to consider this option in order to save you ?

"Would I want the police to kill potentially innocent people to stop me from being raped?"

I'd have to say no.

 

[frogwoman]

Some of the offenders seem to be German and American etc though.

 

[J Ed]

"Would I want the police to kill potentially innocent people to stop me from being raped?"

You think that people intentionally blocking police officers from preventing a rape are innocent? I do not agree.

 

[Casually Red]

Suprised Femen haven't arrived yet, can't be long.

Pipped to the post by this bloody idiot

‘Women shouldn’t hide away’: Swiss artist stages nude protest in Cologne after NYE assaults

Oblivious to the fact her " protest " is only likely to attract the bastards back .

 

[emanymton]

Edit a half wrote post ended up in there

If anything remotely similar happens again they should just shoot into the crowd. If you are part of a crowd physically preventing a police officer from stopping someone being raped you are fair game.

Seriously have a word with yourself. What your actually calling for is a massacre, just have many women do you think will get shot or trampled if police start shooting into a crowd? Not to mention god knows hiw many innocent men. Never mind that your advocating the the police bring able to freely execute people. And do we know that anyone obstructing the police knew about someone bring raped. Because frankly as a general rule I don't mind people get fucking around with cops.

 

[frogwoman]

You think that people intentionally blocking police officers from preventing a rape are innocent? I do not agree.

What if the woman gets shot by mistake?

 

[Spymaster]

You think that people intentionally blocking police officers from preventing a rape are innocent? I do not agree.

Well if they could be absolutely certain that those to be fired on were complicit in the rape, fine, lock and load. But how could they be?

 

[J Ed]

Seriously have a word with yourself. What your actually calling for is a massacre, just have many women do you think will get shot or trampled if police start shooting into a crowd? Not to mention god knows hiw many innocent men. Never mind that your advocating the the police bring able to freely execute people. And do we know that anyone obstructing the police knew about someone bring raped. Because frankly as a general rule I don't mind people get fucking around with cops.

Clearly we have very different ideas about the sort of people who hang out in crowds which routinely sexually assault and rape women.

 

[ruffneck23]

how about water cannons with dye ?
Break it up and you can then identify the fukkers and act accordingly.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What if the woman gets shot by mistake?

There's no 'what if', tbh. It would be inevitable. It's an unbelievably stupid suggestion.

 

[J Ed]

Well if they could be absolutely certain that those to be fired on were complicit in the rape, fine, lock and load. But how could they be?

*aim gun at person preventing officer from preventing rape*
"You are stopping me from preventing a rape, move or I will shoot you"

Pretty fucking simple.

 

[Athos]

Clearly we have very different ideas about the sort of people who hang out in crowds which routinely sexually assault and rape women.

The victims were in that crowd. Other innocent people may have been there. The idea of welcoming a police massacre is fucking stupid.

 

[LDC]

These poor rapists, not living in an anarchist utopia. Let's not get sidetracked from any kind of real problems or crimes here ok?

That wasn't what I was suggesting AT ALL.

And as for spymaster saying it was bollocks, suggesting any criminal act happens in a cultural, political, and social vacuum is ridiculous. That's not to excuse it at all, or lay any of the blame elsewhere, or not to wholeheartedly condemn the attacks and support the women, but understanding the context in which these happens is important to preventing them I think.

But anyway, side issue. This is fucking sad and horrendous on so many levels I'm a bit lost as to what to think or feel.

But I'm pretty sure suggestions like calling for the cops to open fire on crowds or drop the offenders into Raqqa isn't that helpful.

 

[Casually Red]

Well if they could be absolutely certain that those to be fired on were complicit in the rape, fine, lock and load. But how could they be?

Because your telling them to get the fuck out of the way because the woman they are standing around is being raped. And they ignore you . And throw a banger at you instead .

Boom.

 

[bimble]

There was this in December from the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/w...ants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=1

Yes, that was 'discussed' a couple of days ago.

I tried to be really brave by suggesting that the whole thing should not necessarily be dismissed as 'racist'. .

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Ok, but I will respond as to how it is relevant. Not to the behaviour, but to the presence, of the refugees. Very specifically, taking Syria and Iraq, these two countries exist because France and the UK specifically created them. And they created them with borders that slice through cultural and religious groups - very purposely done in order to pit one group against another in the region. Classic divide and rule. That's not ancient history, and it's a crucial factor in understanding how these countries are fracturing now.

That is why it is relevant in answering the question being posed by some on this thread 'why should this be our problem?'

People asked that question about refugees anyway, before some of them decided to molest women on NYE. I think making an issue of the fact some are refugees plays into the right's hands. Those criminals from Morocco, Algeria etc deport them. Those criminals who are refugees, sling them in prison harsh I know but I don't have any sympathy for molesters.

The focus needs to be on, to repeat, hundreds of men went on a spree and the OB did next to fuck all about it. What is the number? Thousand or so was it? Again, say if all were Syrian refugees that means 99.9% of Syrian refugees aren't inclined to form into gangs and molest women. I think where Europe really fucked up and that let these people in is keeping the ridiculous rule of in order to claim asylum you have to be in Europe's borders. They should've allowed asylum applications to be made from Turkey in order to have a better chance of vetting who's coming in.

 

[Spymaster]

*aim gun at person preventing officer from preventing rape*
"You are stopping me from preventing a rape, move or I will shoot you"

Pretty fucking simple.

So we're shooting people deliberately obstructing the cops, or everyone who happens to be in the way?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They should've allowed asylum applications to be made from Turkey in order to have a better chance of vetting who's coming in.

So what, it's ok for Turkish women to be raped? That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about - somehow this shouldn't have to be our problem. Let the Turks sort it out, or someone else, anyone else.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The reason they're coming in such vastly inflated numbers is because Frau merkel and the mayor of cologne have invited them to . They've already passed through a plethora of countries since they left Syria...or wherever . Moroccans aren't fleeing a war . Neither are Tunisians . Neither is anyone who was in turkey, Serbia , Macedonia etc after they left Syria .
Your suggestion seems to be everyone who lives in Syria should just move to Germany if they do t like it . Regardless of the fact that is now causing chaos in Germany and the rise of something very troubling and worrying indeed that you have absolutely no counter to. And neither does anyone else .
This chaos is and was predictable, very predictable . But anyone predicting it was hounded and demonised as a racist . But it's happening now . Actually happening . And this won't be the end of it .

I can see this bringing down Merkel. The idea the Germany could absorb a million people in a year was madness. It increases the German population by 1.25% at a stroke.

 

[Spymaster]

Because your telling them to get the fuck out of the way because the woman they are standing around is being raped. And they ignore you . And throw a banger at you instead .

Boom.

Did this happen then?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I can see this bringing down Merkel. The idea the Germany could absorb a million people in a year was madness. It increases the German population by 1.25% at a stroke.

This has happened in many countries over the years, often due to wars started by the likes of the UK. Iran took millions of refugees after the US/British/NATO decided to invade Afghanistan. Other countries have had to deal with this kind of crisis lots of times.