Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[J Ed]

Exactly. The presence of disaffected Muslim refugees in Western Europe is no accident. It is the direct result of Western foreign policy. Let us remember that throughout this discussion.

Do you not think that it is possible to be both anti-imperialist and acknowledge the Western (really we should say Anglo-American-French, there was no Estonian or German Sykes or Picot) history of colonialism in the Middle-East, while also recognising that these rapists are scum who deserve the worst?

 

[BigMoaner]

Exactly. The presence of disaffected Muslim refugees in Western Europe is no accident. It is the direct result of Western foreign policy. Let us remember that throughout this discussion.

Why is it important to remember that in regards the sexual abuse of these women?

 

[BigMoaner]

And why don't you put Isis into your list?

 

[frogwoman]

sasaferrato was at agincourt

I thought it was the pelloponesian war tbh

 

[BigMoaner]

So if a migrant in England rapes someone we should factor in western imperialism? Fuck off.

 

[phildwyer]

"A gang of a thousand and smaller gangs of hundreds went on a sexual assault and rape spree but actually they were at least in part influenced by wars in the Middle-East which even the leaders of your country had nothing to do with"

It's not a matter of influence but of determination. Peoples physical location and psychological attitudes are determined (not influenced) by geopolitics. They can only be explained and understood through geopolitics.

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought it was the pelloponesian war tbh

no, he was on holiday

 

[phildwyer]

So if someone in England rapes someone we should factor in western imperialism? Fuck off.

Sorry, you've lost me now. What are you suggesting?

 

[alfajobrob]

Exactly. The presence of disaffected Muslim refugees in Western Europe is no accident. It is the direct result of Western foreign policy. Let us remember that throughout this discussion.

Lets not - this thread isn't about Western foreign policy.

 

[phildwyer]

Lets not - this thread isn't about Western foreign policy.

That's exactly what it's about.

 

[mk12]

The west did not force these people to rape. I can't believe I have to type this.

 

[alfajobrob]

That's exactly what it's about.

Ok, Fine.

 

[seventh bullet]

(((rapists)))

 

[mk12]

Won't somebody think of the rapists?!

 

[phildwyer]

The west did not force these people to rape. I can't believe I have to type this.

Well why did you type it? Do you think anyone here disagrees?

 

[redsquirrel]

The west did not force these people to rape. I can't believe I have to type this.

Best keep in mind it is dwyer on one his stilly games.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not a matter of influence but of determination. Peoples physical location and psychological attitudes are determined (not influenced) by geopolitics. They can only be explained and understood through geopolitics.

so why are you where you are?

 

[kittyP]

Yeah - a lot of football supporters like to meetup and then go sexually attack women after a match...beats going for a pint innit

That really was not my bloody point

 

[kittyP]

Maybe I am not explaining myself properly.

I don't think there is any problem with men gathering in groups.

My original comment re football was a satirical (?) response to Greebozz

See this please

 

[alfajobrob]

I used to think "why do people hate on Phil so much" he's just a bit outspoken. Then the past couple of years I sort of worked it out. I still dislike a lot of your opponents, but at least I understand them a bit more.

I won't tell you to "fuck off" because that is just a given. You are a properly annoying cunt though so well done - give yourself a pat on the back...go phil.


Sorry for the derail.

 

[alfajobrob]

That really was not my bloody point

Apologies for thinking it was apologism.

For that I can only apologise.

 

[kittyP]

Apologies.

Cheers x

 

[campanula]

Female Genital mutilation - was that a result of western foreign policy...or a sick fucked up patriarchal obsession which has no place in a more egalitarian society?
Let's fucking remember that, shall we?

 

[alfajobrob]

Female Genital mutilation - was that a result of western foreign policy...or a sick fucked up patriarchal obsession which has no place in a more egalitarian society?
Let's fucking remember that, shall we?

In danger of getting derailed by Dwyer here. I have nothing more really to add or contribute without info but to say it's about the news and recent attacks.

I don't think anyone else has remotely said this?

 

[kittyP]

Female Genital mutilation - was that a result of western foreign policy...or a sick fucked up patriarchal obsession which has no place in a more egalitarian society?
Let's fucking remember that, shall we?

FGM is horrific and its background I imagine varied and complex but I don't know if that is really part of this particular discussion is it?

 

[campanula]

Yep - waffling on about western foreign policy as some sort of excuse for lousy shitty attitudes towards women makes me spit blood right at this moment.,,and not really inclined to give the role of religion or culture a free pass either.

 

[kittyP]

Yep - waffling on about western foreign policy as some sort of excuse for lousy shitty attitudes towards women makes me spit blood right at this moment.,,and not really inclined to give the role of religion or culture a free pass either.

Fair enough.

 

[campanula]

But to be clear, I am appalled by religious oppression towards women and not specifically pointing a finger at Islam here - many, if not all, religious beliefs seem to be inherently patriarchal...but for sure, I want the conversation about this, if only to further educate myself...because there are some deep, distortions operating within the guise of doctrinal beliefs which leave me anxious and uncomfortable...identity politics as a whole, in fact.

 

[kittyP]

But to be clear, I am appalled by religious oppression towards women and not specifically pointing a finger at Islam here - many, if not all, religious beliefs seem to be inherently patriarchal...but for sure, I want the conversation about this, if only to further educate myself...because there are some deep, distortions operating within the guise of doctrinal beliefs which leave me anxious and uncomfortable...identity politics as a whole, in fact.

I am just thinking out loud a bit here but In some respects I am more appalled by fact that oppression of women is still carrying on in the way it is in societies that have become more secular in modern times.
One would have thought/hoped that as religion moved out a bit this shit would have stopped or become far less common that it actually still is.

 

[campanula]

Have societies become more secular though, Kitty? The US has been dissolving into a bizarre theocracy of insane fundamentalist Christian identities, (with many regressive attitudes towards women) not entirely unconnected with political manipulation and a very divisive economy - huge inequality, great insecurity, exploited by rapacious churches. Abortion and to a lesser extent homophobia are often higher on the agenda than economic woes. A worrying descent into a comforting simplicity...or a malicious and conscious propaganda drive.
Apols for going far OT.