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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

kenny g said:
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how refreshing to see an express front cover without a story about health or global warming on it
 
happie chappie said:
Tom Symonds, a BBC correspondent, today raised the question about the timing of the two events - whether they were linked in some way - but didn’t attempt to answer it. However, it was obvious he thought they were.
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Just saw him (or perhaps another BBC bod) on a recent bbc news channel bulletin. His explanation now is along the lines of 'loads of journalists are looking at all this stuff at the moment and churning different things up, be careful not to conflate the stories'.

As I guessed would happen, we are still at an awkward moment where all the related press stories, including Exaro ones, have not been merged into a complete picture, and so the silly games continue. And I continue to speak in riddles at times as a result.
 
elbows said:
Just saw him (or perhaps another BBC bod) on a recent bbc news channel bulletin. His explanation now is along the lines of 'loads of journalists are looking at all this stuff at the moment and churning different things up, be careful not to conflate the stories'.

As I guessed would happen, we are still at an awkward moment where all the related press stories, including Exaro ones, have not been merged into a complete picture, and so the silly games continue. And I continue to speak in riddles at times as a result.
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Just seen it.

Unless I’m very much mistaken it was from the same package that I saw earlier this afternoon.

As you noted, he made it clear that a distinction needed to be made between allegations of historic child abuse and the allegation of rape made against Leon Brittan.

But then, immediately after that, the very last point raised by Symonds in the earlier broadcast was about the timing of the revelations about the missing files, and the subsequent news that Brittan had been questioned about an alleged rape.

That appears to have been cut from the latest broadcast version.

[Putting tin foil hat away for the night now]
 
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Am I right in thinking that its considered a possibility that there will not be a thorough and urgent investigation?

Surely public indignation will only bring forward their demise so they will try and delay their judgement.
 
Betsy said:
The thread is too long to go back over and read all of it so apologies if this has already been posted.
Last night on the radio Edwina Currie was saying that perhaps resources would be better spent finding the paedophiles of today rather than going back 30 years to bring those people to justice. :mad:
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2 things about that kind of attitude that are utterly sickening : First, the idea that there isn't really enough to go round to bring all abusers to justice. I mean, if not why not? Too much being pissed up the wall making sure Tory donors profit from the latest scam.

More importantly, it too easily belittles / overlooks the decades of ruined lives of victims of abuse longer ago, and the knock-on effects.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28187357

The former leader of a pro-paedophile campaign group claims he stored material at the Home Office, according to an account seen by the BBC.

Steven Adrian Smith had clearance to work as an electrical contractor at the Westminster building in the late 1970s and early 1980s when he chaired the Paedophile Information Exchange.

The Home Office declined to comment on Smith, who was jailed in 1991 and 2011.

It said an inquiry into whether PIE received any public funds was ongoing.

A review last year found that 11 Home Office files from the 1980s relating to the Paedophile Information Exchange had been destroyed.
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Theresa May is to outline plans for a "wide-ranging" inquiry, led by an expert panel, into historic child sex abuse claims, the BBC understands.

The BBC's Nick Robinson said the inquiry would look at claims covering the government, the NHS and the BBC.

The inquiry would be held in public but evidence would not be given under oath.

The home secretary will also tell MPs about a separate review of whether her department failed to act on claims of a paedophile ring when they in the 1980s.

Mrs May's statement to MPs is expected at 15:30 BST.

The home secretary is also also set to announce a review into public bodies and their duty of care towards children.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28189072
 
Libertad said:
Whilst all around him are clamouring for a public inquiry Michael Gove "disagrees".



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oliticians-at-top-of-westminster-9587642.html

Ploughing his own furrow, but why? What possible objection could there be to an inquiry?
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They will argue against a public inquiry in terms of the time it could take and its potential to compromise any police investigations. if you were of a cynical bent then you might not entirely believe them.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Now talking about a wide ranging enquiry covering the NHS, bbc and westminster. Sounds like a long drawn out process that allows them to say - "lets wait for the results of the enquiry" for the next three years.
There needs to be an immediate, no holds barred criminal investigation into the whole kiddy-brothels-for-the-establishment cesspit - not just the perpetrators - but also including those who enabled it and covered it up.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
2 things about that kind of attitude that are utterly sickening : First, the idea that there isn't really enough to go round to bring all abusers to justice. I mean, if not why not? Too much being pissed up the wall making sure Tory donors profit from the latest scam.

More importantly, it too easily belittles / overlooks the decades of ruined lives of victims of abuse longer ago, and the knock-on effects.
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According to Curry both she and Tebbitt knew.

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Interesting that they want the scope of such an inquiry to include (privatisation targets) BBC and NHS but not other powerful Saville connections like Thatcher, Chuckie and their circles, spheres of influence etc.
 
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Kaka Tim said:
Now talking about a wide ranging enquiry covering the NHS, bbc and westminster. Sounds like a long drawn out process that allows them to say - "lets wait for the results of the enquiry" for the next three years.
There needs to be an immediate, no holds barred criminal investigation into the whole kiddy-brothels-for-the-establishment cesspit - not just the perpetrators - but also including those who enabled it and covered it up.
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Sorry - I disagree.

The only way of establish the truth is by having a full scale public enquiry - the outcome of which would be far more difficult to control than what I suspect May is going to announce later today.

It would mean, for example, that witnesses would be required to give evidence under oath. They would be afforded a higher degree of protection (essential for survivors) and would also be protected from libel.

This is the point made by John Hemmings MP in a BBC tv interview earlier. Well worth watching if you can catch it.

The only way the truth about Hillsborough came out was following a full-scale public enquiry. It was what the families wanted. All the previous “ inquiries into inquiries” led precisely nowhere.

Just handing the matter over to the police is not good enough. Indeed, they are part of the problem - failing to properly investigate previous allegations and, if some witnesses are to be believed, actively obstructing investigations.

I don't believe anyone has any faith in them to do the job properly.

Finally, if the Government is so set against a public inquiry that alone should be a good enough reason for having one.
 
It's all going off today..

Steve Messham said Mr Hague had "questions to answer" over why a public inquiry by Sir Ronald Waterhouse was restricted under terms of reference laid down by the then Welsh secretary.

Mr Messham believes that Sir Ronald's three-year inquiry would have unearthed evidence of high-profile figures abusing children in collusion with care home staff had it not had such a narrow remit.

Earlier this week, David Cameron announced a review of Sir Ronald's inquiry following claims by Mr Messham on the BBC's Newsnight that a high-ranking member of the Tory Party was among his abusers.

Mr Messham, 49, claimed he was raped "more than a dozen times" by the politician when he was 13 years old.

The politician in question, who is still alive, has vehemently denied the allegation, and said he had only been to Wrexham, where the rapes are alleged to have taken place, once in his life.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ifled-1996-paedophile-report-says-victim.html
 
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