existentialist
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He didn't look well at the trial...
How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
That 101 year old Ralph Clarke got convicted today, 21 counts, sentencing on Monday:
101-year-old Ralph Clarke guilty of child sex offences - BBC News
101-year-old Ralph Clarke guilty of child sex offences - BBC News
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
101-year-old paedophile jailed for 13 years
13 years. That can't be anything but a whole life sentence.
Much as I think it's a tragedy that someone should spend their twilight years in prison, I can't see any alternative: it cannot be that the passage of time should mitigate the penalty. Even so, I imagine there's a difference between confronting a prison sentence you know will come to an end before you do, and knowing that you will be spending the rest of your days inside.
Not that it sounds as if this one is planning to spend too much of his sentence reflecting on the harm he has done.
hot air baboon
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JAILED: Third former teacher from St Paul's School guilty of sexual assault sentenced to 18 years in prison
A former teacher at an independent boys school in Richmond has been jailed for 18 years for sexually abusing 10 boys.
Patrick Vernon Marshall, 68, was found guilty of 24 counts of indecent assault and one count of sexual activity with a child on Monday, February 6, after a four-week trial at Southwark Crown Court. He was sentenced the same day.
Marshall, who worked at the prestigious St Paul’s School in Lonsdale Road, Barnes, from 1971 until 1981, and targeted a number of boys at the school rowing club where he was a coach.
Marshall is the third former teacher at the school to be convicted of indecently assaulted boys aged under 16.
David Sansom-Mallett, 70, of St James Road, Purley, was jailed for 14 years and nine months after being found guilty of 23 sexual offences against four boys between 1974 and 1983 at a trial at Southwark Crown Court in November 2016.
Samsom-Mallet was a master at St Paul’s preparatory school Colet Court between 1973 and 1975. Three of his victims did not attend St Paul’s School.
Michael Ellis, 71, of Bolton Road, Chiswick, was found guilty of two indecent assaults of boys under 16 between 1973 and 1992 at Southwark Crown Court in July 2016. He also pleaded guilty to four counts of making indecent images of children on his home computer.
A former teacher at an independent boys school in Richmond has been jailed for 18 years for sexually abusing 10 boys.
Patrick Vernon Marshall, 68, was found guilty of 24 counts of indecent assault and one count of sexual activity with a child on Monday, February 6, after a four-week trial at Southwark Crown Court. He was sentenced the same day.
Marshall, who worked at the prestigious St Paul’s School in Lonsdale Road, Barnes, from 1971 until 1981, and targeted a number of boys at the school rowing club where he was a coach.
Marshall is the third former teacher at the school to be convicted of indecently assaulted boys aged under 16.
David Sansom-Mallett, 70, of St James Road, Purley, was jailed for 14 years and nine months after being found guilty of 23 sexual offences against four boys between 1974 and 1983 at a trial at Southwark Crown Court in November 2016.
Samsom-Mallet was a master at St Paul’s preparatory school Colet Court between 1973 and 1975. Three of his victims did not attend St Paul’s School.
Michael Ellis, 71, of Bolton Road, Chiswick, was found guilty of two indecent assaults of boys under 16 between 1973 and 1992 at Southwark Crown Court in July 2016. He also pleaded guilty to four counts of making indecent images of children on his home computer.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I failed the entrance exam for Colet Court in the early 1970's, a lucky escape perhaps.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It continues to appal me just how hidden in plain sight so much of this abuse was. I hope more than anything that we are able to learn from this drumbeat of historical abuse cases (you know, the ones certain people keep telling us should be left to lie, as it's so long ago
) that this is the price paid for complacency, undue regard for authority, and regarding children as commodities.Each one of those cases - and, I don't doubt, the rest of the iceberg of cases where victims still do not feel they can speak out - is an offence against us all, and we all bear the responsibility of remaining vigilant - but not paranoid - and being ready to speak out. We cannot assume that the victims of these people can, or will, and if we don't, then they can operate, as they so evidently did for so long, with total impunity.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Woman's Hour (I know I know) had a good interview today with Prof Alexis Jay. She was defending the scope of the Inquiry on the grounds that we could learn a lot from the patterns of abuse and cover up across all institutions of power. She said the Inquiry would welcome back those survivor groups who'd rejected it. At the root of all, the question that needed addressing was why some men (it's usually men) wanted to abuse children. BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour, Actress Cherry Jones; Professor Alexis Jay, the chair of the inquiry into child sexual abuse
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I say glibly "it's usually men" forgetting for a moment those people who have suffered the brutality of nuns.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
If any car can prove that someone commits crimes against his fellow men, its the Rover 2000.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Stank of petrol, or was that just the Pi ?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Its more that they are hideous. Take this example below for instance, which is the one that Paul Nuttall won the 1977 Paris-Dakar in:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Its more that they are hideous. Take this example below for instance, which is the one that Paul Nuttall won the 1977 Paris-Dakar in:
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Condemn the vile paedo scum but not the car. Back the days of rattling rust bucket Cortinas & Marinas I had a ride in my mate's dad's Rover 2000TC. It went like shit off a shovel while we rode smoothly cocooned in soft leather & walnut. 
Lurdan
old wave
In response to the Daily Mail story claiming he "is convinced" that the allegations against Heath are "120% genuine" Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale has issued a statement objecting very strongly to unhelpful and inappropriate speculation about the investigation.
It's not very hard to see what the Mail were up to with their story about Veale "being convinced" about the allegations. Sections of the press including the Mail attacked Bernard Hogan-Howe over Det Supt Kenny McDonald's statement that 'Nick's allegations were 'credible and true'. This is an attempt to recreate that line of attack.
Meanwhile the Daily Mail have published another story. This one takes a rather different line :
Group of women who say they were abused by Sir Edward Heath also claim their parents ran a satanic sex cult that was involved in SIXTEEN child murders
If this story seems familiar that may be because a version of it was first run by the Mail last November :
Sir Edward Heath accuser is a 'satanic sex fantasist': Police warned by OWN expert that ritual abuse claims are false - including how the former PM 'went to candlelit forest for paedophile parties'
Rachel Hoskins who had previously acted as a consultant to the police in cases where crimes appeared to involve religious rituals had been asked by Wiltshire Police to review some the allegations made against Heath. She went public with her concerns that some of this was a revival of allegations first made during the SRA panic and which originally hadn't involved Heath (her own account of those concerns can be found at the bottom of that last link).
Frankly I can't say I would be astonished if some of the claims being investigated did turn out to be nonsense. (I wonder if they include the allegations made in 1984 by a guy on trial for rape that he was being fitted up to cover up the fact that his victim had posed in pornographic photographs with both Ted Heath and the police officer who had arrested him ?) However that doesn't mean they all are and I'll wait and see what the investigation turns up. It's not as if Heath is going anywhere, or that he will be any less of a cunt even if Wiltshire Police don't establish a case against him. It's a shame that the same level of resources can't be devoted to historical abuse in Lambeth Children's Homes, to take one example, where some of the alleged abusers are still alive, but I guess we can't have everything.
It's not very hard to see what the Mail were up to with their story about Veale "being convinced" about the allegations. Sections of the press including the Mail attacked Bernard Hogan-Howe over Det Supt Kenny McDonald's statement that 'Nick's allegations were 'credible and true'. This is an attempt to recreate that line of attack.
Meanwhile the Daily Mail have published another story. This one takes a rather different line :
Group of women who say they were abused by Sir Edward Heath also claim their parents ran a satanic sex cult that was involved in SIXTEEN child murders
If this story seems familiar that may be because a version of it was first run by the Mail last November :
Sir Edward Heath accuser is a 'satanic sex fantasist': Police warned by OWN expert that ritual abuse claims are false - including how the former PM 'went to candlelit forest for paedophile parties'
Rachel Hoskins who had previously acted as a consultant to the police in cases where crimes appeared to involve religious rituals had been asked by Wiltshire Police to review some the allegations made against Heath. She went public with her concerns that some of this was a revival of allegations first made during the SRA panic and which originally hadn't involved Heath (her own account of those concerns can be found at the bottom of that last link).
Frankly I can't say I would be astonished if some of the claims being investigated did turn out to be nonsense. (I wonder if they include the allegations made in 1984 by a guy on trial for rape that he was being fitted up to cover up the fact that his victim had posed in pornographic photographs with both Ted Heath and the police officer who had arrested him ?) However that doesn't mean they all are and I'll wait and see what the investigation turns up. It's not as if Heath is going anywhere, or that he will be any less of a cunt even if Wiltshire Police don't establish a case against him. It's a shame that the same level of resources can't be devoted to historical abuse in Lambeth Children's Homes, to take one example, where some of the alleged abusers are still alive, but I guess we can't have everything.
hot air baboon
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Stiff Upper Lip: Secrets, Crimes and the Schooling of a Ruling Class – review
Stiff Upper Lip, Alex Renton’s powerful study of abuse – physical, psychological, sexual – that has been a feature of boarding schools pretty much since they were created. The book stems from a piece Renton wrote three years ago for this newspaper’s magazine about his own experiences at Ashdown House, a boarding prep school that also educated Boris Johnson and Viscount Linley, among other well-known people.
Stiff Upper Lip, Alex Renton’s powerful study of abuse – physical, psychological, sexual – that has been a feature of boarding schools pretty much since they were created. The book stems from a piece Renton wrote three years ago for this newspaper’s magazine about his own experiences at Ashdown House, a boarding prep school that also educated Boris Johnson and Viscount Linley, among other well-known people.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
If true it's more than a shame, because it means that chasing the big names, however incredible the allegations, is taking precedence over investigating abuse that clearly did happen. I don't dou t the ubiquity of child abuse in this period but I find little credibility in these grotesque conspiracy theories. They do a disservice to the suffering of the countless victims of the casual toleration of abuse in this period.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Its be a tragedy if he wasn't a child rapist. Its a result for justice that he will die behind bars. Good. Very good.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think it is possible to have compassion for even these people. I'll admit that it's taken me a lifetime to get there, but I believe that it's part of what makes us different from them .
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
Press playing guess the celebrity again - it took just a minute of googling to get the name.
Cops probe superstar over rape of 'naive 14-year-old virgin' in 1970s
Cops probe superstar over rape of 'naive 14-year-old virgin' in 1970s
elbows
Well-Known Member
In regards to the Church of England stuff and those who supported the abuser Ball, I see Carey got criticised in the report and is being asked to step down from his honorary assistant bishop role role. Not surprising really given what had already emerged on this in recent years, it would have been hard for the review to draw any other conclusion.
Church 'colluded' with sex abuse bishop Peter Ball - BBC News
A brief discussion on this stuff earlier in this thread, here: #6218
Church 'colluded' with sex abuse bishop Peter Ball - BBC News
A brief discussion on this stuff earlier in this thread, here: #6218
not-bono-ever
meh
Sex abuse was covered up at cadet forces, Panorama finds - BBC News
This country is fucked isn't it ? The stiff upper lip and must grumble ethos bred into us for generations looks to have provided an ideal cover for the rapist cunts who flourish within our systems and structures
This country is fucked isn't it ? The stiff upper lip and must grumble ethos bred into us for generations looks to have provided an ideal cover for the rapist cunts who flourish within our systems and structures
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's not just "mustn't grumble"; it's "don't you grumble either", aka "don't rock the boat".
It stinks.
I don't, fuck him. I would happily see the cunt swing from the gallows.
Liberal bollocks. What is it about the liberal mindset that always has a soft spot for these types and wastes needless compassion and emotion on people who deserve none? If you read the article, the cunt is not even sorry for what we did, no remorse at all.
As for the false equivalency in your post, there is nothing the justice system can or could do that would lower them to his level. Even if was sent to the gallows it would in now way make the hangman as bad as he is, this pedo abused innocent and defenceless children and can't even bring himself to admits his wrongs. You could hang him a thousands times over and you would still be better than this vermin.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I wish I had so much anger to spare.
Those are just my views. In my opinion the only people who have any right to forgive the perpetrators of such crimes are the victims themselves but that is no reason for the rest of society and the legal system to be so forgiving.
It is also not just a question of anger, but one of practicality. People like that are never going to be reformed, you can imprison them but if they get out, chances are they will commit further crimes and further suffering. For everyones sake it is better to simply get rid of them, permanently.
This is interesting.
Oxford Mail wins five-year legal battle to identify millionaire businessman named in child-sex trial
Khuja runs a letting agency in Cowley Rd in Oxford which is in the middle of the area where most of the Operation Bullfinch sexual abuse/assaults happened.
When I lived in Oxford, he was notorious for his property developments -- basically illegally converting houses into flats with scant if any regard for safety then installing tenants on housing benefits in them and (allegedly) pressuring them not to rock the boat. Likewise with neighbours concerned about dodgy wiring/building work etc.
So a man with access to loads of flats connected, if never charged, to a child abuse ring.
Oxford Mail wins five-year legal battle to identify millionaire businessman named in child-sex trial
Khuja runs a letting agency in Cowley Rd in Oxford which is in the middle of the area where most of the Operation Bullfinch sexual abuse/assaults happened.
When I lived in Oxford, he was notorious for his property developments -- basically illegally converting houses into flats with scant if any regard for safety then installing tenants on housing benefits in them and (allegedly) pressuring them not to rock the boat. Likewise with neighbours concerned about dodgy wiring/building work etc.
So a man with access to loads of flats connected, if never charged, to a child abuse ring.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Free Melanie Shaw - Child Abuse whistleblower | Campaigns by You
this is doing the rounds on the internet but i can find any credible sources for the story. Anybody know the truth behind this story? because its looks exactly like the sort of feverish, conspiracy nut dot joining that needs to be stopped in its tracks.
this is doing the rounds on the internet but i can find any credible sources for the story. Anybody know the truth behind this story? because its looks exactly like the sort of feverish, conspiracy nut dot joining that needs to be stopped in its tracks.
existentialist
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
cheers for that. pretty much chimes with my suspicions.
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