How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Why would Wiltshire make that up?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It's a bit weird if they are answering something Ms Forde never alleged. It turns the spotlight on the retired senior officer turned 'whistleblower'. It makes one wonder why other police forces are suddenly leaping to it. It's almost as if it were common practice to cover things up, even if that wasn't the case here.
elbows
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Nope, still not following you. Are you mixing up what Wiltshire police have said recently with what the former officer alleged?
Lurdan
old wave
Not obvious to me that it's necessarily about making stuff up as opposed to covering arse. Conceivably because they have no records showing what happened one way or the other. I'm more interested in why the IPCC have taken it on.
I have to say the initial story set off my 'possible bullshit' meter when it described the story as originating from a retired police officer. This wasn't alleviated by the revelation that he was a constable at the time. Every possibility that he's retailing canteen gossip rather than fact in the hope of selling a story.
As this has developed it's become a little more interesting although my response to learning that five separate forces are investigating allegations about Heath is to wonder how much of police budgets is being devoted to this, particularly given stories like this yesterday
Manchester police: Missing teen searches 'unsustainable' - BBC
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well they said this..
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
possibly because getting the 'scalp' of a long dead PM provides a convienient glossing over of current failures?
Wiltshire - or whoever - know that Heath will fill the papers for weeks with stories of brave rozzers challenging the establishment to uncover past misdeeds by the powerful, and will easily displace the story of the local sports coach finally being convicted after 15 years of un-acted-upon allegations.
the original allegation that a prosecution/investigation had been shelved came from a retired, senior officer. perhaps its the retired, senior officer who'se looking to muddy the waters over some impending, pension-losing, investigation..?
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm suggesting that the former plod named him, and they are his allegations, not necessarily Myra Fordes.
elbows
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Besides I don't even know as its that important who got this ball rolling. The point is that now Heaths name is out there, every investigation into him get to call for victims to come forwards. And what happens to any particular branch of investigation into him shouldn't affect the others. If Heath was a prolific abuser then we've got some chance of learning some truth eventually, if not then maybe we'll never gain certainty on this one.
Lurdan
old wave
Really ? If we have to have multiple investigations they might at least communicate with one another.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I should have been more specific. This thread sometimes features suspicions that stinky branches may be introduced in order to scupper things. I don't think it works like that, and I'm really quite bored of all the cloak and dagger bollocks.
elbows
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When I say bored, I probably mean frustrated. Because there is a lot of dodgy shit that actually happened, but quite a part of discovering what actually happened involves eliminating the bogus stories. So when people come up with a bunch of fresh intrigue every single step of the way, increasingly muddy waters frustrate me.
Lurdan
old wave
Ah, I see what you mean. I entirely agree.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
There's a high degree of incredulity expressed out there in the media, fwiw, and it's probably not helpful to the credibility of victims. There have been persistent rumours about Heath for years. Every case that turns out to be unsubstantiated or not proven increases the volume of the cries of 'witch hunt'. What is most concerning of all is the possibility that rich and powerful people haven't magically stopped abusing children and are even now getting away without being investigated and prosecuted.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well, I'm sorry if my comment about how 'smelly' this story is has added to your frustration; that was not my intent.
But the way this story about Heath has emerged has all the hallmarks of an attempt at a highly choreographed example of news management. To my untrained eye it looks as though the authorities have thought long and hard about how to break this to the public.
It appears tonight that they've already moved to a national investigation, and this story seems to have grown very quickly. I suspect that the brothel-owner/retired plod story was seem as a convenient way to break the news relatively gently, but perhaps they didn't reckon on Forde blowing their story.
Former PM as paedo really is pretty big, isn't it? This is the sort of stuff that Icke & co. were on about years ago.
Argonia
Happy go licky
You're right, if correct it is truly astronomical in scale.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Agree that this seems very orchestrated. I was having the same thoughts that it is probably true but being selectively released.
elbows
Well-Known Member
So now the prosecutor at the time for the abandoned Forde case provides a third version of events:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-was-dropped-over-lack-of-evidence-barrister
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-was-dropped-over-lack-of-evidence-barrister
My suspicion is that these conflicting accounts have little to do with noncery, and everything to do with competing interests trying to ward off action for professional misconduct. I would read her lawyer's denial in that context. Were he not a lawyer, I would be more terse and precise.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
contrasting events? contrasting accounts?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you have to be quick to get one by meCorrected while you were typing
Lurdan
old wave
The various Heath investigations to be merged into one, or as the Guardian put it
Investigation into Edward Heath child abuse claims to go national - Guardian
Featured several paragraphs down the story :
This contradicts elements of the Mirror story which stated that there was an ongoing investigation of the allegation it described. However this is quite separate from any allegations about Heath being dealt with by Operation Midland which this weeks Exaro story refers to.
Investigation into Edward Heath child abuse claims to go national - Guardian
Featured several paragraphs down the story :
This contradicts elements of the Mirror story which stated that there was an ongoing investigation of the allegation it described. However this is quite separate from any allegations about Heath being dealt with by Operation Midland which this weeks Exaro story refers to.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
That weirdo has been right so many times now it's unsettling
elbows
Well-Known Member
No reason to be unsettled. Part of his work involves reheating old rumours and adding his spin. I won't give him much credit for that, and there were certainly plenty of historical rumours to choose from on the sex abuse front.
Aside from whatever happens in regards bringing people to justice, inquiries etc, one of the things thats steadily been happening post-Savile is better mainstream acknowledgement of the rumours. Perhaps we'll even get to find out whether some of them were true. Icke can never have been truly right about them in my book because he delivered them as if they were proven facts. Such sloppiness doesn't get a special award from me in the event that further detailed investigation later proves some of them.
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