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Based on what? How can people living in rubble rebuild "stronger than ever" when their opponent is the most powerful imperial state in human history with a military spend bigger than the next 10 countries combined (or whatever it is precisely)
I think the fact that Israel has served as the best recruiting agent for Hamas for one. The desperation of the people in Gaza will only server to bolster that. I suppose that could be tempered if the west actually makes a move to help the Palestinians rebuild but I suspect ant efforts will fall way short of what is needed as the scale of destruction is so utterly huge.
 
It was always clear that Hamas wouldn't be destroyed. Give it a few years and once they've had chance to rebuild they'll be stronger than ever. I suspect the same with Hezbollah too.
sure, the idf have been great recruiters for hamas. but there's three things - at least - an armed group needs, personnel, money and equipment. and it's the last which may be the greatest difficulty since many hamas caches will have been destroyed or captured by the idf. hezbollah face perhaps larger difficulties given the change of government in syria, across which so much aid from iran formerly flowed.
 
I think the fact that Israel has served as the best recruiting agent for Hamas for one. The desperation of the people in Gaza will only server to bolster that. I suppose that could be tempered if the west actually makes a move to help the Palestinians rebuild but I suspect ant efforts will fall way short of what is needed as the scale of destruction is so utterly huge.
I'm with ska in this one...sure, policies across the ME will stoke resistance and radicalisation....but the mission is pretty clear - destroy and reduce to rubble, break a people.
Saying that no army is strong enough to destroy the will of the people is just meaningless drivel.
 
I think the fact that Israel has served as the best recruiting agent for Hamas for one. The desperation of the people in Gaza will only server to bolster that. I suppose that could be tempered if the west actually makes a move to help the Palestinians rebuild but I suspect ant efforts will fall way short of what is needed as the scale of destruction is so utterly huge.
imagine you are living in a tent with nothing but rubble for company. how are you going to rebuild a guerilla army? with what? and where?
Hamas had Gaza - they had a large urban area from which to operate and under their control- they now have nothing but dust, and if Israel has any say that's how it will remain.

Yes of course the spirit remains as does a significant population but for the short to mid term its over for them. The war has been a great success for zionist goals
 
imagine you are living in a tent with nothing but rubble for company. how are you going to rebuild a guerilla army? with what? and where?
Hamas had Gaza - they had a large urban area from which to operate and under their control- they now have nothing but dust, and if Israel has any say that's how it will remain.

Yes of course the spirit remains as does a significant population but for the short to mid term its over for them. The war has been a great success for zionist goals
Right up to now Hamas remain in the field, and retain both at least some operational capacity and the ability to recruit new fighters. Never glad confident morning again? Yes, you're right there. But a total wipeout, equivalent to what happened to the Tamil Tigers? I don't think so.
 
Israeli security cabinet recommends ceasefire deal in Gaza. It will now go to the full cabinet for approval.



What’s worrying in my view is, what has Trump promised them?

Full support for the resumption of the Genocide as soon as some Palestinian kid throws a rock at an Israeli that just bulldozed his home springs to mind
 
Right up to now Hamas remain in the field, and retain both at least some operational capacity and the ability to recruit new fighters. Never glad confident morning again? Yes, you're right there. But a total wipeout, equivalent to what happened to the Tamil Tigers? I don't think so.
I dont think total wipe out either - but containted and certainly not "will come back stronger than ever" as was suggested
 
I dont think total wipe out either - but containted and certainly not "will come back stronger than ever" as was suggested
I think you are possibly underestimating what that level of hopelessness and anger can do. Obviously it's not going to be next week or even next year but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not that far in the future.

Remember, Israel were congratulating themselves that they have destroyed Hamas in Northern Gaza not that long ago then had to go back in because Hamas had apparently regrouped and rearmed (admittedly Israel may have well been lying and were just using that as an excuse to kill more innocent civilians, but when did they ever need an excuse?).

Israel will paint this as having beaten Hamas, and Hamas will do the same re Israel. In reality no-one has won apart from the arms companies and their shareholders.
 
The IDF went in, like a blind man with a baseball bat trying to kill a fly buzzing around a room. The resistance remains intact.
It doesn't really though, does it? Hamas still exists, but it's hierarchy and paramilitary forces are severely depleted: a shadow of its former self. The spectacular of October 2023 has led to the death of tens of thousands of Palestinian civillians and left the infrastructure of Gaza in rubble.

Further afield it's also brought about the destabilisation of Hezbollah and contributed to the fall of Assad. Although, I don't suppose many of those Hamas militants still alive will mourn the latter.

Netanyahu, on the other hand, is still sitting ugly in Jerusalem.
 
I see little passivity in Pickman's model 's comments. You could just put them on ignore if you don't like what they say.
I don’t think Pickman’s model needs anyone to speak up for them. In a thread where people are being persecuted and slaughtered in unimaginable ways and conditions, they choose to harass and bully me for simply making comments. The Palestinian people don’t have a voice, I do. I don’t have to recite the world history to be entitled to have an opinion. This is a democratic site. Everyone’s opinions matter. When you have walked in my shoes, bending the knee is not a consideration.
 
I don’t think Pickman’s model needs anyone to speak up for them. In a thread where people are being persecuted and slaughtered in unimaginable ways and conditions, they choose to harass and bully me for simply making comments. The Palestinian people don’t have a voice, I do. I don’t have to recite the world history to be entitled to have an opinion. This is a democratic site. Everyone’s opinions matter. When you have walked in my shoes, bending the knee is not a consideration.
I didn't seen any harassment or bullying. Various people picked you up on some of the things you said. Which happens all the time in this forum.
 
I don’t think Pickman’s model needs anyone to speak up for them. In a thread where people are being persecuted and slaughtered in unimaginable ways and conditions, they choose to harass and bully me for simply making comments. The Palestinian people don’t have a voice, I do. I don’t have to recite the world history to be entitled to have an opinion. This is a democratic site. Everyone’s opinions matter. When you have walked in my shoes, bending the knee is not a consideration.
this is not a democratic site. once you've been here a while, if you're with us that long, you'll find that this is a benevolent dictatorship where the owner may consult, but does not himself bow to, 'the will of the people'. and you can have an opinion but it's worthless if you can't substantiate it. and so often you can't.
 
this is not a democratic site. once you've been here a while, if you're with us that long, you'll find that this is a benevolent dictatorship where the owner may consult, but does not himself bow to, 'the will of the people'. and you can have an opinion but it's worthless if you can't substantiate it. and so often you can't.
What have I done wrong?
 
It's not a question of wrong, more that you might benefit from finding out a bit more about the subject before posting. If you're more informed, people might have less to pick you up on?
Asking a question doesn’t mean I don’t know about the subject, it’s more to see people’s views. I love to listen to people and allow them to express themselves.
 
Asking a question doesn’t mean I don’t know about the subject, it’s more to see people’s views. I love to listen to people and allow them to express themselves.
Asking why Hitler picked on the Jews (for example) certainly makes it appear you're uninformed on the subject. But absolutely, if you have informed opinions to give that are relevant to the thread, I look forward to hearing them.
 
imagine you are living in a tent with nothing but rubble for company. how are you going to rebuild a guerilla army? with what? and where?
Hamas had Gaza - they had a large urban area from which to operate and under their control- they now have nothing but dust, and if Israel has any say that's how it will remain.

Yes of course the spirit remains as does a significant population but for the short to mid term its over for them. The war has been a great success for zionist goals
This is from Haaretz January 7th:

Israeli Soldier Killed in Northern Gaza, IDF Announces
 
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