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Griffin and BNP strategy

durruti02 said:
you'd have to say this is a disappointment ..

"Below is the breakdown of the votes in the 39 local authorities that make up the North West Euro Constituency.
Burnley – 3,500 (14.6%)
Tameside – 6,549 (13.2%)
Copeland – 2,572 (12.4%)
Hyndburn – 2,731 (12.2%)
Pendle – 3,610 (12.2%)
Wigan – 7,517 (11.8%)
Oldham – 5,435 (11.6%)
Rochdale – 4,905 (11.1%)
Knowsley – 2,574 (10.7%)
Salford – 4,818 (10.5%)
St. Helens – 3,876 (10.1%)
Blackpool – 3,523 (10.0%)
Rossendale – 1,863 (9.8%)
Halton – 2,104 (9.5%)
Blackburn with Darwen – 3,507 (9.2%)
Allerdale – 2,492 (8.8%)
Bolton – 5,409 (8.8%)
Bury – 3,994 (8.2%)
Manchester – 6,796 (7.6%)
Wyre – 2,628 (7.5%)
Warrington – 3,523 (7.3%)
Barrow in Furness – 1,130 (7.0%)
Carlisle – 2,205 (6.9%)
Liverpool – 5,398 (6.9%)
South Ribble – 2,193 (6.9%)
Preston – 2,377 (6.8%)
Ribble Valley – 1.196 (6.7%)
Chorley – 2,008 (6.5%)
Stockport – 4,407 (6.2%)
Wirral – 4,666 (6.1%)
Cheshire West – 4,785 (5.9%)
West Lancashire – 1,168 (5.6%)
Cheshire East – 5,162 (5.5%)
Fylde – 1,359 (5.4%)
Sefton – 3,232 (5.4%)
Trafford – 2,908 (5.2%)
Eden – 824 (4.9%)
Lancaster – 1,736 (4.6%)
South Lakeland – 1,327 (3.2%)
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Comparison to 2004 results below. up from 6 to 13 areas over 10%.
Below 5% down from 12 to 3 areas

One key here is that in the areas they regualrly stand in elections, they are improving their vote. All in all, a slow, steady increase in vote %- and in these elections it is which matters

However in Rochdale for example, they have done nothing much since 2004 and still increased their vote

Note big increases in Copeland and Knowsley in particular

BURNLEY 5301 (16.5%)
PENDLE 4322 (13.2%)
HYNDBURN 2910 (11.5%)
TAMESIDE 6609 (10.5%)
ROSSENDALE 2383 (10.3%)
OLDHAM 7486 (10.3%)
ROCHDALE 5949 (9.3%)
BLACKBURN & DARWEN 4491 (9.1%)
WIGAN Result 7608 (9.0%)
BURY 5509 (8.3%)
SALFORD 4166 (7.9%)
SOUTH RIBBLE 2291 (7.0%)
RIBBLE VALLEY 1423 (6.8%)
BLACKPOOL 2641 (6.8%)
BOLTON 5427 votes (6.6%)
H ALTON 2170 (6.4%)
PRESTON 2546 (6.2%)
CHORLEY 2339 (6.0%)
ST HELENS 4047 (5.8%)
COPELAND 1148 (5.7%)
WYRE 2153 (5.7%)
KNOWSLEY 2005 (5.6%)
CREWE: 2136 (5.4%)
STOCKPORT 5093 (5.4%)
CARLISLE 1772 (5.2%)
VALE ROYAL 2073 (5.2%)
WARRINGTON 3230 (5.2%)
CONGLETON 1749 (5.1%)
ELLESMERE 1355 (5.1%)
ALLERDALE 1381 (5%)
MANCHESTER 5380 (5.0%)
FYLDE 1264 (4.7%)
TRAFFORD Result 3235 (4.5%)
SEFTON 3911 (4.4%)
WIRRAL 4665 (4.4%)
WEST LANCS 1560 (4.3%)
LANCASTER 1751 (4.2%)
LIVERPOOL 4611 (4.1%)
BARROW 869 (4.1%)
MACCLESFIELD 2153 (3.6%)
EDEN: 546 (3.1%)
CHESTER 1211 (2.7%)
SOUTH LAKELAND 1137 (2.7%)
 
durruti02 said:
you'd have to say this is a disappointment ..

"Below is the breakdown of the votes in the 39 local authorities that make up the North West Euro Constituency.

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Dissapointed in that they didn't do better in some of those areas yes, but more than compensated for by the actual result, the fact that their vote held up without the postal ballot of last time and that their better votes tended to be in the larger/more heavily populated areas, so potential room to expand into. And by the national picture of course.
 
Some passing yest relavent news from the French brothers and sisters:

The French political establishment scrambled yesterday to try to block a significant electoral breakthrough by the daughter of the veteran far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Marine Le Pen, 40, and her running-mate topped the poll on Sunday night's municipal by-election in Hénin-Beaumont, an impoverished former coal mining town near Lens in the Pas de Calais. Having won nearly 40 per cent of the votes cast in the first round, the Le Pens' National Front party is in a strong position to capture its first town hall for seven years in the run-off ballot this Sunday. It would be the first time that the ultra-nationalist, anti-immigrant, anti-European party has taken control of a town council in the depressed industrial areas of northern France.
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Hénin-Beaumont, whose last coal mine shut in 1970, closely resembles the areas of Lancashire and Yorkshire where the British National Party, which has links to the French National Front, scored well in the European elections.
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(Here we go with the Defend Sarkozy! slogans)
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
Sorry to come back to this, but;

Given the fertile ground of anti-immigrant state of mainstream politics for 12 years, and the collapse of mainstream politics, comparing to europe fash in uk, pretty piss poor surely?
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The same anti immigrant politics that have meant massive youth unemployment and neets whilst at the same time encouraging labour from Eastern Europe to fill 'the skills shortage'? Or the same anti immigrant politics that have meant in many cases that working class areas have not had sufficuent resources to cope with housing, health and educational need? Or the same anti immigration polictics that have left many many working class people that there is one rule for them and one rule for otrhers?

Of course the media have had a field day on anti muslim propganda and immigration but actually its the New Labour multi culturalist agenda at the expense of class and their committment to globalisation and the market which has been the key driver.
 
http://indemgroup.eu/32/news/556/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=913b16272c

Liga Nord and UKIP have formally joined up in the European parliament, so now unlikely the Euronationalist right will have eniough members to form a group. Mnay open racists among the UKIP group, but only soft fascists

Denmark: Dansk Folkeparti, 2 MEPs
Finland: True Finns, 1 MEP
France: Libertas (Mouvement pour la France), 1 MEP
Greece: LAOS, 2 MEPs
Italy: Lega Nord, 9 MEPs
Netherlands: Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij, 1 MEP
Slovakia: Slovenská národná strana, 1 MEP
United Kingdom: UKIP, 13 MEPs
 
I was living in France when Le Pen got through to the second round of the presidential elections. A lot of people who hated Chirac felt compelled to vote for him because they felt Le Pen was even worse. But, to show how they really felt, people were (allegedly) voting while wearing gloves in a symbolic gesture of not sullying their hands. Others were walking into polling stations backwards to show the backward movement of politics. Or something. All very French anyway...
 
Sue said:
I was living in France when Le Pen got through to the second round of the presidential elections. A lot of people who hated Chirac felt compelled to vote for him because they felt Le Pen was even worse. But, to show how they really felt, people were (allegedly) voting while wearing gloves in a symbolic gesture of not sullying their hands. Others were walking into polling stations backwards to show the backward movement of politics. Or something. All very French anyway...
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Well, it's better than holding up signs saying 'Snot in my name!' or whatever it is.

...or do they do that in France, too?
 
They do, the bastards.

A French revolutionary declaring snot in his name
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Maetin Smith Druivel on the BNP in the latest ISJ - i was wonderriong where these arguments had suddenly appeared the last few weeks. I give a tenor of it with this quote:

Despite the BNP’s success at the polls it still only has 3,000 members
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The rest of the argument is empty, oddly ahistorical history and please, let's do more of the same - let's pretend it's 1930 again. I don't know how to talk to these arguments anymore. It's become clear that reality takes second place to theory and the opp to pose as anti-fascists (for the good of the party)

There's more sense in a 500 word post on here than this 15 000 word bullshit.
 
butchersapron said:
Maetin Smith Druivel on the BNP in the latest ISJ - i was wonderriong where these arguments had suddenly appeared the last few weeks. I give a tenor of it with this quote:



The rest of the argument is empty, oddly ahistorical history and please, let's do more of the same - let's pretend it's 1930 again. I don't know how to talk to these arguments anymore. It's become clear that reality takes second place to theory and the opp to pose as anti-fascists (for the good of the party)

There's more sense in a 500 word post on here than this 15 000 word bullshit.
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He says he still has a skateboarders badge against the BNP? Something like that.
His views are of a 15 year old skateboarder.

I love this gem:
''It is a mass movement of the petty bourgeoisie—shopkeepers, doctors, low-level officials, foreman and the self-employed''

I thought they were all ''knuckle draggers'' and ''chavs''?
I wonder what the occupations of SWP members are?
First year white middle class students for one.

Typical SWP outdated type article.
 
Can anyone find this quote re the first wildcats:

Tony Woodley, the joint secretary of the Unite union, told reporters, “The British National Party are seriously and sizably involved, infiltrating meetings and posing as organisers”.43
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Note 43 says Financial Times, 5 February 2009.
 
This is a response from the Socialist Party:

...To suit this purpose [to paraphrase having a go at the Socialist Party], Martin Smith, the author of the SWP pamphlet, exaggerated the presence of the British National Party (BNP) in the Lindsey dispute in an article in Socialist Review.

He wrote: "You don't have to take my word for it - Tony Woodley, the joint secretary of Unite union, told the Financial Times 'The British National Party are seriously and sizeably involved'". Since when have the words of Woodley been gospel, a 'leader' who has not organised the might of his union in support of the Lindsey or Visteon workers, and who has kept his own distance from their struggles?

The racist BNP did attempt to intervene in the construction strikes but they were ignored or chased off the picket lines. If it had been left up to Martin Smith and his party then indeed the BNP might have been able to make some headway, but the conscious intervention of the Socialist Party and other left trade unionists elevated the need for workers' solidarity in struggle, and that is what came to the fore.

The SWP leaflet given out on the Lindsey picket line said: 'Those who support this strike are playing with fire'. What could this mean, except 'don't support the strike'? Yes, unfortunately they got it wrong, and all that they say now is a result of their wrong position from the beginning.​

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Cheers Louis, yets another case of taking the bosses word rather than actual w/c experience. A united front of Tony Woodley and the FT. I think i need a shower.
 
That really is a genuinely poor piece from Smith though. The relative weight given to today as compared with the 1930s and the 70s is very telling.
 
Griffin advocates sinking ships from sub-Saharan Africa:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8141069.stm

This is a view shared by the racist Lega Nord who have formed an alliance with UKIP and other hard right trash. The Euro Parliament is absolutely infested with the lowest forms of life on the planet - the scum that occupy it are for the most part only of any use for wiping shit off the soles of your boots onto.

A tiny victory of sorts: looks like Griffin and Brons have failed to become part of a grouping in the EU Parliament, meaning less financial support. Is this the best we can hope for in these times of post democratic populism? :(
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Griffin advocates sinking ships from sub-Saharan Africa:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8141069.stm

This is a view shared by the racist Lega Nord who have formed an alliance with UKIP and other hard right trash. The Euro Parliament is absolutely infested with the lowest forms of life on the planet - the scum that occupy it are for the most part only of any use for wiping shit off the soles of your boots onto.

A tiny victory of sorts: looks like Griffin and Brons have failed to become part of a grouping in the EU Parliament, meaning less financial support. Is this the best we can hope for in these times of post democratic populism? :(
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i read this this afternoon and it made me lol - its why "no platform" doesn't necessarily represent the best approach to the fuckos cos let them spout their opinions and most people can see them for the fools they are tbf.
 
jer said:
Who on Earth can take them seriously with the kinda bobbins Griffin spews out?
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the million who already voted for him and millions who will sympathise with that POV .. sadly .. just look at Berlusconi .. the UK left and liberals simply can not understand why this sleezy, neo fascist, idiot, whatever is so popular in Italy .. every election people assume he will get smashed and he does not ... these views are sadly not unpopular and will probably bceome MORE popular as unemployment rises .. i can imagine millions of brits and millions more italians and other europeans agreeing wholeheartedly with him
 
durruti02 said:
the million who already voted for him and millions who will sympathise with that POV .. sadly .. just look at Berlusconi .. the UK left and liberals simply can not understand why this sleezy, neo fascist, idiot, whatever is so popular in Italy .. every election people assume he will get smashed and he does not ... these views are sadly not unpopular and will probably bceome MORE popular as unemployment rises .. i can imagine millions of brits and millions more italians and other europeans agreeing wholeheartedly with him
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One fault in your argument durruti02, Berlusconi is no 'neo-fascist'. 'Idiot' maybe?
 
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