frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Oh, OK. That's a pretty low turnout for students and even by local election standards, at reading the students are normally the ones who bump up the voter turnouts ... barely anyone else can be bothered!
Griffin and BNP strategy
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Oh, OK. That's a pretty low turnout for students and even by local election standards, at reading the students are normally the ones who bump up the voter turnouts ... barely anyone else can be bothered!
h t t p://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-take-third-county-council-seat/
griffin 'broadcast' at about 5 o clock on County Council election results day (??)
'contributed to destruction of labour .. by distracting them .. we have pushed .. the media in attacking the BNP .. to create the circumstances that will get well over a dozen UKIP MEPS elected .. UKIP .. good candidates but corrupt party ... we are NOT going to win seats in most of england .. we might not win any ..whatever happens thousends of enquireies .. hundreds of new members day by day .. long term patient grass roots work .. thats what others don't do and what we do .. coming of age of BNP mounting serious national election ' etc etc etc blah blah blah
griffin 'broadcast' at about 5 o clock on County Council election results day (??)
'contributed to destruction of labour .. by distracting them .. we have pushed .. the media in attacking the BNP .. to create the circumstances that will get well over a dozen UKIP MEPS elected .. UKIP .. good candidates but corrupt party ... we are NOT going to win seats in most of england .. we might not win any ..whatever happens thousends of enquireies .. hundreds of new members day by day .. long term patient grass roots work .. thats what others don't do and what we do .. coming of age of BNP mounting serious national election ' etc etc etc blah blah blah
of they dont get in, i think several things could happen, including griffin stepping aside for someone without the baggage. even if he wins, he must know he cannot take the party to the level of eurnonationalist parties in europe
i just cant see them returning to a street level strategy though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nope. He's there for 30 years plus.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why would he? And who is there? There's no one. He's there for NG not anyone else - and he's goiing to use the experience of the last 10 year to keep him at the top for a very long time. The most succesful far-right leader ever in this country will not walk away or stand aside. The very first st thing he ddi when elected was to change the constituionnto to make it harder for him to be challenged or removed.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I know you're sceptical about this sort of thing Butchers, and so am i but surely a lot of things holding back people from voting BNP is the fact that Nick Griffin has a reputation for having said some unsavoury things in the past (but he's a far right leader, so what do you expect?) and getting someone new in (although maybe not now) would remove some of the "baggage" about the BNP as an unacceptable option based on NG's past statements etc
it's just a thought tho and probably wrong ...
it's just a thought tho and probably wrong ...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The idea solution would be for some BPP nut to shoot him
Seriously though -there's no one else. In same way that there's no other game on the far right but the BNP.
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
BBC Radio 4 reporting Nazeez have a Euro seat in Yorkshire. 
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
Is there any link to a guide for forum moderators on urban 75, on how to apply the no platform policy they have?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't follow you rmp.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
When someone create a link to a fascist website, they are asked to break it. When a fascist start's posting on the website, they are stopped. There seems to be some kind of logical policy that is applied by moderators, I'm wondering what it is.
I'm on another website, where they are wondering how to apply no platform, so I thought there may be some guidelines on here.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There's isn't a no-platform on policy here though. As far as i can see all that happens is that links to far-right sites are broken and far-right posters who behave are allowed to post. To be honest if you're going to ban people elsewhere for being far-right then all you need to do is ban them - surely?
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
Thanks for that correction. It has always looked on here like there is a no platform policy to me, just shows how wrong you can be. That will be why my first post didn't make sense to you.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
There's a 'leading' W Mids BNP activist goes on a football website I frequent. He pretty quickly called for Griffin to step aside even though he'd got them this far.
Imho it makes Griffin even safer now, after all this is their high-water mark and under his leadership.
Of course there is the irony in their 2 reps both being former 'leaders' in the 2 former warring NF splits, Brons a former Flag group devotee along with Steve Brady and Joe 'Rosary Beads' Pearce and Griffin the former Political Soldier/Third Positionist alongside Derek Holland and Co.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They have the best chance a a far right party ever has and in 3 or 4 seats - low turnout combined with them getting their vote out opens the door a little.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
Seems to me like there was a pretty unprecedented level of anti fascist propaganda in the run up to the election. Did this have an effect? It has been said in the past at this increases the vote, BUT the BNP poll was down on five years a go.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No it wasn't - it went up quite significantly - by 150 000 extras votes, and on a low turnout.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
this wasn't so much of victory, has a win by default, with the others on boats collapsing, rather than there is increasing. However, couldn't their B are we a net by default in the general election? Especially now they have a lot more money to throw at propaganda etc.?
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
not what I've read,
But I will take your word for it, as your usually quite good at this.
So 150,000 votes, up from one to what?
Considering the debacle in British politics, should it have not been a bigger increase?
I thought they got more votes over-all ?
dennisr
the acceptable face
Thing is RP3 there is no positive spin to be put on this. The more folk try, the more desperate it sounds.
We need a serious political alternative - not hoodwinking, not spin, not email and blogging campaigns, not "vote for the less bad who are going to shaft you any way"
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