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Griffin and BNP strategy

not what I've read,
But I will take your word for it, as your usually quite good at this.

So 150,000 votes, up from one to what?

Considering the debacle in British politics, should it have not been a bigger increase?
800 000 to 950 000. Considering what they are i think that's a pretty resonable return with 2 MEPs in the bag. I don't think you can really diminish that by saying that they should have 5 or 6 or whatever because that was never on the cards. They did just about as well as they could reasonably have hoped for - slightly better in fact.
 
800 000 to 950 000. Considering what they are i think that's a pretty resonable return with 2 MEPs in the bag. I don't think you can really diminish that by saying that they should have 5 or 6 or whatever because that was never on the cards. They did just about as well as they could reasonably have hoped for - slightly better in fact.
That seems a fair assessment, off those numbers.

"Considering what they are "??? Facist, or did you have some other meaning to that statement? ie small?
 
Considering the debacle in British politics, should it have not been a bigger increase?

You know when people say things like...

'They are all as bad as each other'
'They are all in it for themselves'
'I'm not voting for any of them'​

...and so on and so on?

Sometimes people really mean it. The BNP does not, AFAIK, have a reputation for being a bunch of clean-handed incorruptibles.

Secondly, my hunch is that the media campaign against the BNP has been so intense that it probably has stopped some people voting at all and shifted some other people's votes to other parties, mainly, I'd guess, to UKIP or the English Democrats.
 
We need a serious political alternative - not hoodwinking, not spin, not email and blogging campaigns, not "vote for the less bad who are going to shaft you any way"

Labour released a poll predicting 7 BNP seats a few months ago (can't find a link though) with the purpose of getting their activist base out. They didn't come out, their vote didn't come out.

The political alternative is the answer, but then the question is. What political alternative is it we're looking for. we could argue to the end of time about that one.
 
That seems a fair assessment, off those numbers.

"Considering what they are "??? Facist, or did you have some other meaning to that statement? ie small?
A far right group (fascist in terms of leadership) with the same historial record of never doing anything electorally as the rest of that bunnch. 3 Councillors in the whole 70 year period before Griffin, now 10 years later 50 plus (with many being re-elected) 2nd places all over the shop, a london assmebly member and 2 MEPs - not to mention breaking out of their previous regional marginalisation and developing a serious national profile on the basis of a widespread normalisation of their vote. The dymanic is clear.
 
A far right group (fascist in terms of leadership) with the same historial record of never doing anything electorally as the rest of that bunnch. 3 Councillors in the whole 70 year period before Griffin, now 10 years later 50 plus (with many being re-elected) 2nd places all over the shop, a london assmebly member and 2 MEPs - not to mention breaking out of their previous regional marginalisation and developing a serious national profile on the basis of a widespread normalisation of their vote. The dymanic is clear.
yeh yeh, I think it is an important point that, "A far right group (fascist in terms of leadership)". is important to make that distinction.

Edited to add;
Especially when you're talking to their supporters, and the undecided.
 
You know when people say things like...

'They are all as bad as each other'
'They are all in it for themselves'
'I'm not voting for any of them'​

...and so on and so on?

Sometimes people really mean it.
of course
The BNP does not, AFAIK, have a reputation for being a bunch of clean-handed incorruptibles.
sorry ,whats the point????

Secondly, my hunch is that the media campaign against the BNP has been so intense that it probably has stopped some people voting at all and shifted some other people's votes to other parties, mainly, I'd guess, to UKIP or the English Democrats.
I agree.
 
ah yes, there's only one way to do anything.:rolleyes:

We need a political alternative to the issues working people face. The alternative is NO political alternative.

Why bother with dealing with realities when arguing over how many angels on the head of the pin and pointless insinuation is so much more apealing.

You are never going to change are you.
 
We need a Political Alternative to the issues working people face. The alternative is NO Political Alternative.

Why bother with dealing with realities when arguing over how many angels on the head of the pin and pointless insinuation is so much more apealing.

You are never going to change are you.

so you going to become an anarchist rmp3? - that's the usual route, the usual copout
the reason I have pretty much given up, is because of talking to people like you, and the anarchists. They just seem like a bunch of bigoted, antisocial, arrogant, twots incapable of coming to an agreement which could produce a political alternative. If the political alternative does arise, and I certainly hope it does, I doubt you will be involved. I pin my hopes more on an upturned in working class struggle.

However, I hope I'm completely wrong, and in the real world you are our lovely person. SWALK
 
I think that a Tory Government could actually be something that helps turns the tide on the BNP.

People get throughly pissed off with Government. Any Government. Now there is no real viable left wing alternative to Labour in this country so with them in power the votes of the disilusioned switch primarily to the parties on the right with the exception of the Greens and not everybody would automatically think of them as being 'socialist', especially not in the BNP heartlands.

Have a Conservative Government in place for a few years and no doubt the protest votes might go back to Labour, not because they have suddenly become this amazing socialist organisation but simply because they are not in Government and thus escape much of the blame.

Perhaps a tad simplistic I know but I would be willing to wage money on both the BNP MEP's losing thier jobs come the next Euro election.
 
no2bickering
no2cynicism

But yes2what?

The left of all flavours does not currently seem to be well positioned to deal with large events that may occur if there is a critical mass of job losses in the next year or 3. Im expecting that a lot more peoples livelihoods bring ruined will be what ends up turning more of the population back onto politics, and only then will we really catch a glimpse of where we are going.
 
no2bickering
no2cynicism

But yes2what?

The left of all flavours does not currently seem to be well positioned to deal with large events that may occur if there is a critical mass of job losses in the next year or 3. Im expecting that a lot more peoples livelihoods bring ruined will be what ends up turning more of the population back onto politics, and only then will we really catch a glimpse of where we are going.

Yep, its a fair point. The only thing that can break the logjam is precisely workers movements coming out of those attacks. And they are going to happen - because folk have no choice in the matter.

In terms of who has already played a key role in all of the recent small disputes - building strikes, car part plant occupations, trade union disputes, even the school occupations - the people who recently stood as no2eu platform are not that badly placed - given the leadership of almost all is represented
 
no2bickering
no2cynicism

But yes2what?

Yes 2 txt msg spk?

It's the way to win over the young people. Maybe.

In the old days, the Millies newspaper, Millitant, has a subtitle: 'Marxist paper for labour and youth'. It always struck me as a bit stilted, as if it had been translated rather too literally from the original Russian or something.

But now they've got all up to date and txt msgy, I don't know. I sort of prefer the old way.
 
Im old fashioned in that sense, Ive made it to 34 years of age and now feel disconnected from the generations younger than me. I like the pace and depth of TV and movies from the 1970's not the current 3 second attention span stuff.

But I cant ignore the realities. In the event of lots of trouble in the economy, jobs etc, lots more than we've seen so far, it may not matter, the left may be able to win the debate on its own merits. Im not convinced though, in which case the left needs to update its propaganda and its attempts to reach people.

I was envious of how Americans can more easily suspend their disbelief and cynicism and get behind certain election campaigns. The way Howard Dean, Obama and the equivalents on the Right managed to harness the internet for campaigning was interesting but I dont know how to get the same thing this side of the pond, cynicism, the friend of fascism, stands in the way.
 
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Originally Posted by butchersapron
800 000 to 950 000. Considering what they are i think that's a pretty resonable return with 2 MEPs in the bag. I don't think you can really diminish that by saying that they should have 5 or 6 or whatever because that was never on the cards. They did just about as well as they could reasonably have hoped for - slightly better in fact.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ResistanceMP3
That seems a fair assessment, off those numbers.

"Considering what they are "??? Facist, or did you have some other meaning to that statement? ie small?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ResistanceMP3
That seems a fair assessment, off those numbers.

"Considering what they are "??? Facist, or did you have some other meaning to that statement? ie small?

Quote:
Originally Posted by butchersapron
A far right group (fascist in terms of leadership) with the same historial record of never doing anything electorally as the rest of that bunnch. 3 Councillors in the whole 70 year period before Griffin, now 10 years later 50 plus (with many being re-elected) 2nd places all over the shop, a london assmebly member and 2 MEPs - not to mention breaking out of their previous regional marginalisation and developing a serious national profile on the basis of a widespread normalisation of their vote. The dymanic is clear.

Sorry to come back to this, but;

Given the fertile ground of anti-immigrant state of mainstream politics for 12 years, and the collapse of mainstream politics, comparing to europe fash in uk, pretty piss poor surely?
 
from you know who you know where

"BNP’s “Defining Moment” – Statement by Nick Griffin MEP

June 8, 2009 by BNP News
Filed under BNP Party News, Regional News

"The election of two British National Party Members of the European Parliament has forever smashed the media lie about the party and is a defining moment in British history, Nick Griffin, MEP has said.

Speaking exclusively to BNP News this morning after a night of election results which saw the party catapult to centre stage in European politics and the world’s media, Mr Griffin said the victory in the face of the most outrageous lies and mass media slurs was tribute to the steadfastness and determination of the voters of Britain.

“Tonight has shown that the mettle of the men and women who created the British Empire, who fought like lions in the furthest corners of the globe, who sacrificed like titans in Flanders, who endured the Blitz and who stormed the beaches of Normandy, is still alive.

“The far left and the Tory types who thought that the British spirit was dead and that they could walk all over 10,000 years of history, tradition, culture and heritage, were wrong. The British lion has awoken, and its roar will now be heard throughout the world,” Mr Griffin said.

The BNP leader said the first priority of the new BNP team in the European parliament was to send its researchers into the archives to dig out the facts about the conglomerates and corporations which have profited from the privatisation theft of Britain’s “common wealth. The dissolution of the institutions and property of the British nation into the hands of the internationalists is the single greatest piece of larceny in our history,” he said.

“The truth of how the ownership of all our national assets ended up in foreign hands is all there, untouched in the archives. None of the parties want to investigate it. The Tories won’t, because they were the ones who starting selling everything off and gutted British industry. Labour won’t because they carried on with the Tory policy. The Lib-Dems won’t because they hardly have any ideas about anything. The Greens won’t, because they don’t know about it, and UKIP won’t because they are just another corrupt Tory front anyway,” Mr Griffin said.

“The BNP will not shirk from this responsibility, and I can assure the public that the scandals which lay waiting to be uncovered will make the claims for bathplugs, porn films and housing allowances in Westminster seem like small potatoes.”

Mr Griffin also said that the BNP’s election victories were directly linked to the Muslim-groom-for-sex scandal which has rocked the North West and Yorkshire in particular.

“The large votes registered for the BNP in core areas like Oldham and Bradford are a desperate cry for help from the indigenous British population, the Sikhs and other communities about the appalling racist violence and endemic problem of racist sex-grooming scandals perpetrated by individuals from within the Muslim community,” he said.

“We now have the mandate to demand action by the police and authorities on this issue. It can no longer be swept under the carpet and ignored like they did with the latest two murders last week of indigenous Britons.”

Mr Griffin said the “enormously enhanced credibility and electability of the BNP would have far-reaching consequences throughout the British body politic. The BBC will no longer have an excuse to bar us from prime political airtime, and the media will find it even harder to spin lies about us. This marks a seismic shift for the BNP, and all the voters who placed their crosses next to the brave BNP candidates all over the country can rest assured we will not waste this opportunity to reverse Britain’s decline.”

Finally, Mr Griffin said, the BNP’s election victory was a stinging defeat for the far left who had poured huge amounts of money into an anti-BNP campaign. “Their failure to stop the BNP will become nothing but an irrelevant footnote to the great historical events of last night,” Mr Griffin said.

“After the disgraceful attacks on members of the public by the far left outside Manchester City Hall last night, I repeat my challenge to Tory leader David Cameron to distance himself from these stormtroopers of the ruling elite, or forever be tarnished by his open association with these thugs who seek to destroy democracy in Britain,” Mr Griffin added."
 
ditto

"2009 So Far: Success, Advances and Progress – A Letter from Nick Griffin

June 7, 2009 by BNP News

Fellow Patriot,

Over the last six months the British National Party has literally been transformed into a mainstream party. The fact is that most people are focussed so much on winning Euro seats that other impressive advances and successes are being overshadowed.

Compared with where we were at Christmas, we are fundamentally a new party altogether. Such a huge range of advances have been achieved in the last six months that it defies belief, and on the eve of the Euro results we lay them out below for you to inspect.

Remember this progress would not have been achieved without the sacrifice, dedication and determination of the tens of thousands of members and supporters that constitute our movement. So on the eve of the Euro poll I wish to extend my sincerest thanks and remember that whatever happens tonight, I am eternally grateful to you all.

Remember that the progress below has been achieved in the face of the most gargantuan media smear and slander campaign in history. This is the first time that we have mounted such a national challenge to the establishment and their response has been hysterical, if not outright panic. Such a torrent of lies, smears, slander, fabrications, distortions and half-truths has never been waged against a legitimate political party in British history. It is an historical first. However, no matter what happens at the polls, this Party is now playing on the world stage.

- During the European Election Campaign in 2004, we had a total of 9,000 unique info pack requests. During the Euro Campaign of 2009, we have had roughly 65,000 unique enquiries; so many that we have an enormous backlog of work to get through. These enquiries have been gathered and databased using our new cutting-edge IT systems and will be transformed into new members, donors and supporters over the next few weeks and months.

- The British National Party now has 30 full-time staff working in a whole range of areas such as administration, databasing, fundraising, web construction, design, IT, and two full time accountants as well as many more fields of expertise. This compares favourably with the Euro Election in 2004 when we had only 5 people working for the Party.

- Until several months ago the BNP was always a “virtual party” with no offices or headquarters whatsoever. Now we have four such premises. We have a design studio, an administration centre with full-time call centre and accountancy department, a political headquarters and a dispatch depot. The BNP is no longer a “virtual party” but has a fixed presence with a large number of specialist full-time staff who run the internal departments of the BNP to industry-standards, regulated by a world-renowned management specialist.

- The growth in membership of the Party has been enormous. In the last six months since January 2009 we have had approx 3,500 new members join up. This is the largest single rush of new members in our long history as a Party (and on the back of the leaked membership list drama). Our membership department estimates that at the present rate by the end of the year we may well double our membership, making us one of Britain’s largest political parties.

- In the whole of 2007 the BNP raised a total of £500,000. In the first five months of 2009 we have raised over £650,000. We are on target to TREBLE our 2007 turnover this year, testament to the huge growth of the BNP and the increased professionalism of our fundraising department. To put things in perspective, we have spent more in total on our Euro Election Campaign 2009 than on all the previous election campaigns combined — a staggering achievement. So far this year our electronic email fundraising campaigns alone have raised approximately £100,000. So far in 2009 our e-fundraising department has sent out approximately 2 million emails, 700,000 in May alone. Thanks to the huge output of literature in our Euro Election Campaign, our central fundraising database has grown from a mere 19,000 to approximately 70,000 — which means that the funds available to the BNP to grow, increase efficiency, campaign and fight elections will multiply enormously over the next six months.

- The BNP is the proud operator of Britain’s most effective political call centre, which is bringing back into membership on average some 40-50 lapsed members per day, a huge number taking out Gold memberships. Our dedicated call centre, run by a professional customer care manager and staffed by party members, is raising the Party on average some £1,400 per day (roughly equating to 360,000 per year of extra funds for the Party).

- One of the most significant advances this year has been capturing three county council seats on June 4th. This is a tremendous breakthrough for the Party into an entirely new tier of government and gives us a massive boost of credibility. County council seats are huge and immensely hard to win — the local election equivalent of winning a Parliamentary constituency sized seat.

- The BNP has increasingly made its presence felt in local elections throughout the first six months of 2009. In over twenty local by-elections the BNP has averaged approximately 17 percent of the vote — a huge increase on previous years. The local election results, impressive as they are, were capped by the momentous victory in the Swanley by-election in Kent in February — the BNP’s first breakthrough in the South East Region.

- In January the Party launched Operation Fightback in response to regular abuses of our democratic rights by the media and political establishment. A large number of politically correct outrages have been reversed, cultural parades have been reinstated, persecution at the hands of local authorities has been dealt with and reversed, newspapers have scrapped, withdrawn or retracted smear stories and anti-BNP celebrities and other public figures have been held to account for their incitements. Operation Fightback is to be expanded after the Euro Elections to cope with the increased number of attacks on the Party.

Make no mistake, the establishment wouldn’t have bothered attacking so virulently a movement that was irrelevant and impotent. The huge, organised establishment campaign against the BNP is the biggest compliment of all — it proves that we are now a force to be reckoned with, a real nationalist alternative to the liberal-left campaign to destroy our nation. So whatever happens at the polls tonight, there can be no turning back. We are here to stay, and we will struggle to the bitter end to save our beautiful nation and people.

Long live the British People!

Yours sincerely,

Nick Griffin

Chairman, BNP"
 
interesting ... supporting workfare

"Originally, benefits were meant as the state’s obligation to support those who genuinely are not in a position to support themselves. This guiding principle must always remain the guiding light for a just and humane system - and it is the core of the British National Party’s welfare policy.

However, decades of Labour and Tory socialist state-induced welfare dependency has utterly distorted this noble ideal. Well-meaning welfare programmes have been exploited, distorted and twisted to become nothing more than a free handout to scroungers, foreign and local. This has in turn created a welfare dependency culture which has led to in excess of six million people living in homes where no one has a job and where benefits are a way of life.

Not only does this cost the taxpayer in excess of £13 billion per year, but it also has a hugely damaging effect upon the psychology of a nation which once led the world in productivity, technological innovation and which gave birth to the Industrial Revolution. This dire situation must be reversed - urgently.

Only the British National Party has the plan to reverse these decades of disastrous Labour and Tory social engineering programmes - through a sensible policy of workfare, not welfare.

The principle is simple: those who receive community support incur obligations as well. People who genuinely want to work must be provided with the opportunity to do so in return for training which will put them back into proper full-time employment.

In return for financial support and training for a new career, the benefit recipient must complete a certain number of hours of work per week. Properly implemented, this policy will undermine the benefit dependency culture and bring masses of unemployed back into the formal employment sector.

Ultimately there must be only one category of welfare recipient: those who genuinely deserve or have earned it. The scrounger entitlement mentality must be discarded. Those who can work but refuse to do so, must face the consequences of their actions on their own.

The success of the “workfare not welfare” policy has been proven: these programmes already exist in Australia, America and even in India. Britain has to get back to work: and workfare provides the only path through which this aim will be achieved."
 
new blog h t t p://nickgri ffin.eu/


"Nick Griffin was born in Barnet and grew up in Halesworth in rural Suffolk, England.

Initially educated at two Suffolk private schools, St Felix School (in Southwold) and Woodbridge School, Nick studied history and then law at Downing College, Cambridge and boxed while at Cambridge and was awarded a full blue for representing the University against Oxford three years running, losing the first year on points and winning in the next two with first round stoppages." ffs
 
you'd have to say this is a disappointment ..

"Below is the breakdown of the votes in the 39 local authorities that make up the North West Euro Constituency.

Burnley – 3,500 (14.6%)
Tameside – 6,549 (13.2%)
Copeland – 2,572 (12.4%)
Hyndburn – 2,731 (12.2%)
Pendle – 3,610 (12.2%)
Wigan – 7,517 (11.8%)
Oldham – 5,435 (11.6%)
Rochdale – 4,905 (11.1%)
Knowsley – 2,574 (10.7%)
Salford – 4,818 (10.5%)
St. Helens – 3,876 (10.1%)
Blackpool – 3,523 (10.0%)
Rossendale – 1,863 (9.8%)
Halton – 2,104 (9.5%)
Blackburn with Darwen – 3,507 (9.2%)
Allerdale – 2,492 (8.8%)
Bolton – 5,409 (8.8%)
Bury – 3,994 (8.2%)
Manchester – 6,796 (7.6%)
Wyre – 2,628 (7.5%)
Warrington – 3,523 (7.3%)
Barrow in Furness – 1,130 (7.0%)
Carlisle – 2,205 (6.9%)
Liverpool – 5,398 (6.9%)
South Ribble – 2,193 (6.9%)
Preston – 2,377 (6.8%)
Ribble Valley – 1.196 (6.7%)
Chorley – 2,008 (6.5%)
Stockport – 4,407 (6.2%)
Wirral – 4,666 (6.1%)
Cheshire West – 4,785 (5.9%)
West Lancashire – 1,168 (5.6%)
Cheshire East – 5,162 (5.5%)
Fylde – 1,359 (5.4%)
Sefton – 3,232 (5.4%)
Trafford – 2,908 (5.2%)
Eden – 824 (4.9%)
Lancaster – 1,736 (4.6%)
South Lakeland – 1,327 (3.2%)
 
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