Griffin and BNP strategy

[taffboy gwyrdd]

On what basis?

The same poll Butchers. gives UKIP 3% as well.

 

[butchersapron]

A national poll, for a regional election - that's sure to be accurate. In fact, the BNP vote has clearly dipped by 3.5 % in the last 5 years in the NW.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

A national poll, for a regional election - that's sure to be accurate. In fact, the BNP vote has clearly dipped by 3.5 % in the last 5 years in the NW.

They would need to poll possibly 3 times as much as the national average. That would be a very large statistical blip.

 

[butchersapron]

The national average on a paper poll is neither here nor there. It is irrelavent. Don't try and use it. This sort of petty dishonesty is not at all helpful, and it becomes habitual.

 

[butchersapron]

They would need to poll possibly 3 times as much as the national average. That would be a very large statistical blip.

...and no it wouldn't. 8.5% in one area with a national 3-5% is not a blip/ esp when they scored 6.5 % there last time.

Look, lie all you like in your leaflets and that, lie to people you're talking to in person - don't lie on here.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

...and no it wouldn't. 8.5% in one area with a national 3-5% is not a blip/ esp when they scored 6.5 % there last time.

Look, lie all you like in your leaflets and that, lie to people you're talking to in person - don't lie on here.

We are discussing some poll details, you have your opinion which I respect. I'm trying to be optimistic, and not from a party POV. Accusations of "lying" really are very OTT and needlessly aggressive.

I looked into David Harvey quite a bit on your suggestion, have you tried meditation on mine?

 

[butchersapron]

We are discussing some poll details, you have your opinion which I respect, I'm trying to be optimistic, and not from a party POV. Accusations of "lying" really are very OTT and needlessly aggressive.

I looked into David Harvey quite a bit on your suggestion, have you tried meditation on mine?

Yeah and now i'm fucking qu ming grade muthafucking one.

If you pump out the 3-4% poll as a regional poll rather than a crappy national paper one then it's a lie.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Yeah and now i'm fucking qu ming grade muthafucking one.

If you pump out the 3-4% poll as a regional poll rather than a crappy national paper one then it's a lie.

I didn't. I said it was a poll, should have given that detail for sure but it wasnt some constructed piece of propaganda wibble, nor was it a lie FWIW. Just a quick post about a poll.

Pleased to hear of your spiritual progress though. Shame Natural Law Party aren't what they once were - they could have used the talents of one who develops so quickly.

 

[The39thStep]

Although until about a week ago i was 95% sure they would not get elected in June, i cant help but think with the expenses row, that a lot of voters for mainstream parties are simply going to stay at home, whcih will benefit them in June

woudl probaly say one MEP now, in Yorkshire

no full list of CC canddiates available yet

They will benefit from the expenses scandal , snouts in the trough from the old guard parties sort of stuff.Take the divisive nature of their politics out and they are the alternative to the the newlab/libdem/tory mire. What we need is a left wing version of the BNP.

 

[treelover]

What we need is a left wing version of the BNP.

Care to expand on that

Left Luggage seem to be challenging some left and particualry Trotskysist 'shibboleths'

 

[frogwoman]

They will benefit from the expenses scandal , snouts in the trough from the old guard parties sort of stuff.Take the divisive nature of their politics out and they are the alternative to the the newlab/libdem/tory mire. What we need is a left wing version of the BNP.

erm ...

 

[frogwoman]

Yes definitely what we need

 

[dennisr]

Yes definitely what we need

that and a "patriotic, peoples war"

Which reminds me of how the ruling class managed to get of of their serious economic mess the last few times...

 

[butchersapron]

He just means people doing the work on the ground - no one commenting here would disagree.

 

[frogwoman]

true dat.

 

[JimPage]

Why Yorkshire? Why not the North West?

I think yorkshire becasue most of the leve of antifascist resources put in to the NW and their electoral decline in east lancashire and oldham, which made their vote so high in 2004

Their recent by election results in the region, say in Moston for example, arent high enough either - if they are only polling 20% at by elections they wont poll enough at elections liek this

 

[JimPage]

The latest Independent poll was quite rare in that if one dug around one could get the "others" breakdown. By that poll the BNP are on 3%.

I know we disagree on their prospects, I certainly respect any lack of complacency while obviously hoping my relative optimism is well placed.

I dont think they will reach 8.5 in the NW on this basis, especially without a good "get out to vote" operation.

Also, UKIP are holding up better than one might expect.

The times Euro poll today puts UKIp 7% , Green 5% BNP 2% . i

 

[Rod Sleeves]

I think yorkshire becasue most of the leve of antifascist resources put in to the NW and their electoral decline in east lancashire and oldham, which made their vote so high in 2004

Their recent by election results in the region, say in Moston for example, arent high enough either - if they are only polling 20% at by elections they wont poll enough at elections liek this

I agree their results in the NW haven't been as high as they should be, however as has been pointed out on here, UKIP always do better than anticipated in Euro elections, I don't see why the BNP's strong anti European message coupled with anti corruption, and racial populism shouldn't do well enough to tip them over.

Having said that, I still would not actually bet on them getting a seat just yet - it is possible they will fail to get their vote out, and it is possible UKIP will manage to get a seat.

 

[butchersapron]

Jim you alwast get too oprimistic just before the elections

IMO their NW seat is nailed on already. Their regional votes coupled with the piss-poor greean and UKIP votes/potentially very low turnout/ angry protest vote means they're well on course. The question is can they pick up a second. Atm i'm inclining to yes.

 

[butchersapron]

The times Euro poll today puts UKIp 7% , Green 5% BNP 2% . i

This is national polls - they're meaningless for regional votes, esp for small parties with strong regional bases.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Got spammed by BNP twice today. Nick Griffin writing to me - someone who absolutely loathes him and his 'patriot party' - asking for money (is this phishing?).

I have no idea why they sent them to me since I've been a vocal opponent for some years publicly.

Fellow Patriot,

We now have a fraction over 3 WEEKS till D-Day 2009 - polling day fast approaches! Now is the time we must go into OVERDRIVE! We must raise our activity levels to maximum and dig deep till it hurts to fund the largest and most sophisticated campaign in nationalist history.

They want money. They must be desparate to write to me.

Over the weeks to come from now until June 4th, 29 million leaflets will go out, BNP billboards will go out all over the country, newspaper adverts will plaster local newspapers nationwide and an estimated 40,000 to 100,000 info packs will be sent to enquiries!

I have some EXCELLENT news: so far this year we have had over 6,500 enquiries from the public! Last year we had around 5,000 enquiries in total...and that was INCLUDING the enquiries from the London Assembly campaign!

Wow, I mean, that's loads. Not.

We have been receiving approximately 100 enquiries a day since November compared to around 10 a day this time last year.

6 months Nov - April = 30+31+31+28+31+30=181
181 days x 100 enquries per day = 18,100 enquiries. However, above says "over 6,500 enquiries" so this means either the BNP can't add up, or they're lying about the 100 enquries per day, or both.

We can now give you a sneak preview of our Euro Election campaign window poster (in the box to the right). We have printed 100,000 of these, full colour!!

Have you thought of what will happen to this country, your family, and your loved ones if the British National Party doesn't win a seat on June 4th ? I have, and it scares me rigid.

I'll have one only if I can draw a little hitler moustache on Griffin's face and thoroughly deface it.

Our people, this island race, will be left to the mercy of the Eurocrats, PC fanatics and the multicultural extremists, all of whom have one goal in mind, the complete annihilation of all things British.

Super. Can't wait! Does that mean that Nick Griffin is leaving the country at last? Huzzah!

The proud history of our people and nation will be eradicated bit by bit from history and our children will grow up in a sterile, politically correct, inclusive society where everybody else's rights are protected.

Does this mean that we're going to teach schoolchildren the real history about British Colonialism, massacres in India, Africa, etc?

But if you're English, Welsh, Scots or Irish, forget it, you don't count!

I do count. I count better than you, Mr. Griffin (see above sum).

We are now 2nd class citizens in our own country

That's just because you're in the BNP, and your ideas suck ...

Our loved ones will increasingly become second-class citizens in their own land.

Perhaps if you were a better parent Nick ...

Just look at how the indigenous people are treated right now.

I know. The massacres at Benin were atrocious. I think Britain should make amends, make apologies, pay compensations and give the bronzes back..

If we fail to win on June 4th the whole anti- British, multicultural nightmare will accelerate and become even more dangerous and powerful.

Nightmare? Multicultural Britain is fantastic.

> > Make a mighty donation NOW! Britain's FUTURE is at stake! Click here > >

And so it drolls on - inserting 'Make an heroic donation NOW!!' at every opportunity.

In the North we have now opened a fully functioning design and print office, in the Midlands we have a highly efficient distribution warehouse, in the South we have a new fully functioning political administration office and now we have just opened a professional, fully equipped BNP call centre operation which is already proving to be more successful than we ever imagined.

Some people would pay good money to find out where those were located...

Let us not forget, this is no ordinary political campaign, this is an epic battle between Good and Evil. A battle, the outcome of which will determine what kind of country we will leave behind for our children and grandchildren. I am constantly reminded of this when I look at my own children, and I'm sure you know what I mean.

Wow. Manichean battles-r-us.
It goes on and on, blaming everyone apart from those who are really to blame.

I don't want my email addy on their circulation list, and certainly did not put it there.
Any suggestions as to a response, if any?

The email ends:

Please send your most generous gift immediately. It is crucial that we win a seat. What you do now may well decide our fate on June 4th!

My most generous gift, eh?

Humorous suggestions please!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Barely disguised Hitlerian ranting from Lee Barnes, legal adviser and spokesman for the BNP:

The fact that the Zionist run political Establishments of the nations of the world, and the political puppets of the media that in reality run our countries, have the power to demand the imprisonment of people because they find their views repugnant proves to me that these people who demand the imprisonment of those they disagree with are the real Nazis we should be afraid of, not the views of the holocaust deniers.

http:// leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/05/holocaust-denial-new-witchery.html

Zionism, as a form of militant Israeli nationalism, is legitimate only in Israel.

When its tentacles are able to control our nations foreign policy and US foreign policy, as it did when it lobbyed for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to get the oil and bolster Israel, then it is in fact organised treason.

http:// leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/05/harry-place-has-another-pop.html

The mentalist Hitlerian fuck stains.

 

[joevsimp]

My most generous gift, eh?

Humorous suggestions please!

well they failed to get a seat last time (tried to claim that the election was gerrymandered despite being under PR)and Britain dosen't appear to have been swallowed up by the waves/darkies

This is national polls - they're meaningless for regional votes, esp for small parties with strong regional bases.

but they were getting 2% in the south west at the last euro elections, its infeasable that their vote in NW and/or Y+H would be that much higher than national average to get in based on that poll (not that I don't think that that poll's underestimating them, although "shy tory/nazi syndrome" didn't really come into play last time)

 

[butchersapron]

This is national polls - they're meaningless for regional votes, esp for small parties with strong regional bases.

but they were getting 2% in the south west at the last euro elections, its infeasable that their vote in NW and/or Y+H would be that much higher than national average to get in based on that poll (not that I don't think that that poll's underestimating them, although "shy tory/nazi syndrome" didn't really come into play last time)

Why? They scored 6.4% in the NW last time - why should that vote have stayed the same or risen in the last 5 years? And in Y&H it was 8% - again, despite national polls having them on 2-3% at best at the ime. It's not only feasible, it's already happened.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I think BNP have gone for the pensioner vote. Their newsletter is very 'Churchill was great - donate now'.

 

[JimPage]

On candidates other than the Euros, a few more,a sn a few corrections

Glasgow Anniesland ward by election
Bristol Council 8
Darwen Council 9
Norfolk CC 7
West Sussex CC 20
East Sussex CC 8
Wiltshire CC 12
Somerset CC 7
Warwickshire CC 14
Central Bedforshsire DC 3
North Yorkshire 13
Dorset 1

More to follow

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I think BNP have gone for the pensioner vote.

That and the made up people vote.

The thick fucking Hitleriod jackasses.

 

[Zachor]

Barely disguised Hitlerian ranting from Lee Barnes, legal adviser and spokesman for the BNP:



http:// leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/05/holocaust-denial-new-witchery.html



http:// leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/05/harry-place-has-another-pop.html

The mentalist Hitlerian fuck stains.

Pop over to Harry's Place Barnes is getting a total kicking on there

 

[JimPage]

On matters BNP and Elections I always check the betting markets to see if the bookies know something i dont

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN/betting/t/1759/European-Politics.html

BNP to get a seat
1-5 on Yes
10-3 No

BNP to get 5 seats
4-1 Yes
1-7 on No


Bnp to win a seat at next general election
8-1 (10-1 last week)

Not a good sign

 

[joevsimp]

I think BNP have gone for the pensioner vote. Their newsletter is very 'Churchill was great - donate now'.

thats funny, I thought he was a supposed to be a "drunken, warmongering slob"