Griffin and BNP strategy

[JimPage]

Also understand that they could be fighting a ward in Havering (on same day as Euro elections) where the local Independent (former Tory) councillor has just been done for child pornography.

http://www.havering.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=15729

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/co...wsromford&itemid=WeED14 Apr 2009 10:19:51:600

Also council by-elections in NW Leicestershire, Boston and Epping Forest being fought, and possibly Burnley, all in not bad wards for them

 

[durruti02]

Few more confirmations as to totals in counties- lots of partial lists in for Counties as well, will wait until full totals confirmed

3 Suffolk CC
12 North Yorkshire CC
5 Norfolk CC
12 Northamptonshire CC
28 Hertfordshire CC

Total will be over 400 allegedlt compared to 35 CC seats in 2005

jim, any idea how that compares with NF in the 7ts?

 

[treelover]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/05/429436.html?c=on#c222645


Not good in Barnsley, locals barracking antifa at Griffin meeting, 300(claimed) at meeting, etc, to think an ex mining town going Brown

 

[glenquagmire]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=288396

 

[durruti02]

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/loc...BNP_stand_in_every_Essex_County_Council_ward/

 

[JimPage]

Updated list of CC Nominations

Over 460 according to their website, up from 35 in 2005. Many councils still to to declare full lists- like Lancashire, West Sussex and Devon where I know they are standing

75 Essex
41 Cumbria
48 Leicestershire
3 Suffolk
12 North Yorkshire
5 Norfolk
12 Northamptonshire
28 Hertfordshire
4 Cornwall
23 Lincolnshire
17 Derbyshire
16 Nottinghamshire
4 Buckinghamshire

 

[JimPage]

jim, any idea how that compares with NF in the 7ts?

Exceeds their show in 1977. What must be remembered about this number is 2things, firstly the CC wards are very large, made up of 2 or 3 council wards, so they will moderate their areas fought accordingly

Secondly these are in general terms, rural areas outside the metropiplitan area like Leeds, Sunderland, Thurrock, Sunderland, Kirklees or Brmingham where they usually fight loads of seats.

 

[dennisr]

Updated list of CC Nominations

Over 460 according to their website, up from 35 in 2005. Many councils still to to declare full lists- like Lancashire, West Sussex and Devon where I know they are standing

75 Essex
41 Cumbria
48 Leicestershire
3 Suffolk
12 North Yorkshire
5 Norfolk
12 Northamptonshire
28 Hertfordshire
4 Cornwall
23 Lincolnshire
17 Derbyshire
16 Nottinghamshire
4 Buckinghamshire

jack booted fascism is around the corner...

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Hmm...nazis getting too close to home...

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=410272

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Another Hitlerite BNP piece of human sewage exposed as a former comrade of murdering South African racist scum:

A far-right activist linked to the murderer of the South African Communist party and ANC leader Chris Hani in 1993 is playing an influential role in the British National party in the run-up to next month's European election campaign.

Arthur Kemp runs the party's merchandising arm, Excalibur, and was pictured this week at the BNP's election headquarters in mid-Wales helping to prepare thousands of campaign leaflets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/08/bnp-nick-griffin-arthur-kemp

 

[JimPage]

Another Hitlerite BNP piece of human sewage exposed as a former comrade of murdering South African racist scum:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/08/bnp-nick-griffin-arthur-kemp

The odd thing here is that Kemp was a witness for the prosecution and was not charged with anything. He is not flavour of the month for expat racist South Africans either in the UK, who regard him as a grass

 

[butchersapron]

Griffin on R5 now. Campell pathetic - started off with the exact same question as Paxman about if he'd allow his daughter to marry a non-white, NG easily sidestepped it and was allowed to turn the tables on campbell and accuse him of being race obsesssed. NG made good ground on labour on the gurhkas. Campbell just fucked up totally by accusing NG of writing a book on denying the holocaust which a) allowed NG to point out his research was awful and b) to explicitly say that he's changed his mind from earlier views and c) that naxis are not welcome in the BNP. Campbell equally feeble on repatriation, allowed Griffin to point out the BNP policy is already actual home office policy and has been since 1972.

 

[JimPage]

Although until about a week ago i was 95% sure they would not get elected in June, i cant help but think with the expenses row, that a lot of voters for mainstream parties are simply going to stay at home, whcih will benefit them in June

woudl probaly say one MEP now, in Yorkshire

no full list of CC canddiates available yet

 

[treelover]

Austerity Britain: Why the far right is finding converts in Barnsley

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6268999.ece

Interesting article in the Times, about Griffin's meeting in Barnsley, inc the raptorous support he got! Its clear the UAF approach isn't working, I would never support the BNP, but the lack of support we had for the welfare issues have put me off the left for a long time, so I am just abdicating, others are less tolerant and are moving to the far right.

 

[dennisr]

Although until about a week ago i was 95% sure they would not get elected in June, i cant help but think with the expenses row, that a lot of voters for mainstream parties are simply going to stay at home, whcih will benefit them in June

woudl probaly say one MEP now, in Yorkshire

no full list of CC canddiates available yet

Yep, thats my view as well

As you said on the other thread - like France - a choice of voting for crooks or fascists

 

[skyscraper101]

Griffin on R5 now. Campell pathetic - started off with the exact same question as Paxman...

When was Paxman interviewing him?

 

[Rod Sleeves]

Although until about a week ago i was 95% sure they would not get elected in June, i cant help but think with the expenses row, that a lot of voters for mainstream parties are simply going to stay at home, whcih will benefit them in June

woudl probaly say one MEP now, in Yorkshire

no full list of CC canddiates available yet

Why Yorkshire? Why not the North West?

 

[joevsimp]

another gem from griffin today:

Outlining his party's anti-immigration stance, Mr Griffin said: "Not all immigrants are terrorists but all terrorists are immigrants or their immediate descendants."

three words: David Copeland fucktard

 

[butchersapron]

When was Paxman interviewing him?

About 5 yeras ago, in a famous interview when the hero of the liberal middle classes was totally humiliated. They've learnt nothing since.

 

[joevsimp]

Right a bit of good news to start with
http://www.predict09.eu/default/en-us/state_analyses.aspx

Predict 09 have the BNP vote already starting to collapse- down to 4.4% nationwide- from 4.9% in 2004

but its also predicting the greens losing both seats the tories gaining none and labour gaining three so i'd be a little cautious

 

[ericjarvis]

As you said on the other thread - like France - a choice of voting for crooks or fascists

Hardly. It's a choice between crooks and fascist crooks.

 

[butchersapron]

forget predict 09.

 

[Jean-Luc]

Before deciding a counter-strategy to the BNP we need to ask why it is progressing. I suggest that it is due to the inevitable failure of the main political parties to solve the social problems people have to face under capitalism (inevitable because under capitalism profits just have to come before people, and governments have to accept and implement this).

If this is the case then lining up with the Establishment parties to try to ostracise and quarantine the BNP is not going to work. In fact it's more likely to have the opposite effect of feeding the growth of the BNP. The only effective way to stop the BNP would be to get rid of the Profit System which causes the problems people suffer from and which no party which accepts this system (and that includes the Greens and the Nationalists) can solve and whose failure to solve them is grist for the BNP's mill.

If the growth of the BNP is fed by the failure of parties that seek to reform the Profit System (as well as, today, their blatant corruption), you're not going to stop it by supporting and voting for them, as we are being urged to do all round.

 

[butchersapron]

Read the various threads fred. You're not bringing the tablets. Most of us know this.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

forget predict 09.

The latest Independent poll was quite rare in that if one dug around one could get the "others" breakdown. By that poll the BNP are on 3%.

I know we disagree on their prospects, I certainly respect any lack of complacency while obviously hoping my relative optimism is well placed.

I dont think they will reach 8.5 in the NW on this basis, especially without a good "get out to vote" operation.

Also, UKIP are holding up better than one might expect.

 

[butchersapron]

On what basis?

 

[Jean-Luc]

Read the various threads fred. You're not bringing the tablets. Most of us know this.

That's good news. But why are people still discussing tactical voting to keep out the BNP. If you don't mind me asking, how are you going to vote yourself?

 

[Stay Beautiful]

Campbell equally feeble on repatriation, allowed Griffin to point out the BNP policy is already actual home office policy and has been since 1972.

I've heard of this before but as I understood it, it isn't open to British citizens? Which presumably would now be extended to the EU too. Whereas the BNP plan is. He could have pointed that out. Still, it shows how little research these folk do in prepartion for interviewing him. Surely they should have sussed by now that he isn't just gonna come on and starting banging on about the glories of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany etc?

 

[JHE]

The 5 Live interview can be heard here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00kctbm It starts about 2 hrs 35 mins into that recording.

 

[butchersapron]

I've heard of this before but as I understood it, it isn't open to British citizens? Which presumably would now be extended to the EU too. Whereas the BNP plan is. He could have pointed that out. Still, it shows how little research these folk do in prepartion for interviewing him. Surely they should have sussed by now that he isn't just gonna come on and starting banging on about the glories of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany etc?

I think that's correct, though it looks like there a 'take your family and fuck off for free' tag as well.