Griffin and BNP strategy

[butchersapron]

Another very good result in the NW:

Moston (Mancs)

Rita Anne Tavernor - Labour Party 1,353 38.7%
Derek George Adams - BNP 815 23.3%
Timothy John Hartley - lib Dems 696 19.9%
Phil Donohue - Tory 558 16.0 -13.9%
Karl Wardlaw Green 74 2.1 - 5.7%

 

[liampreston]

Thanks Butchers, started a thread on that. From what I understand from people on the ground (http://is.gd/rKfK) the BNP surprised a lot of people with the amount of canvassing and leafleting done, especially in the last days of the campaign. I cannot decide how much (if any) a contribution came from the arrests in the NW in the two days around polling day.

 

[durruti02]

Lowles doesn't mention .. yet

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/

 

[Zeppo]

This and other thread on BNP voting is good background. I guess for the BNP this is their best shot with rising unemployment and a recession. The left if they are standing need to focus on issues affecting working people; housing, unemployment, the recession what sort of a society we want - not the free market casino capitalism.

Just saying the BNP are nazis is not enough - yes we must expose them but we need to put up a better alternative.

 

[Balbi]

Just saying the BNP are nazis is not enough - yes we must expose them but we need to put up a better alternative.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Just saying the BNP are nazis is not enough - yes we must expose them but we need to put up a better alternative.

I don't know anybody who doesn't agree with that. The problem is mobilising the Man/womanpower to do the rest.

 

[treelover]

I don't know anybody who doesn't agree with that. The problem is mobilising the Man/womanpower to do the rest.

Well, the SWP for instance seem to have inordinate amount of energy for organising perpetual marches against 'the war' and meetings against anti-imperialism its a question of priorities, imo.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Well, the SWP for instance seem to have inordinate amount of energy for organising perpetual marches against 'the war' and meetings against anti-imperialism its a question of priorities, imo.

and? the previous poster spoke about providing an alternative, that isn't about JUST opposing fascism, it's about providing an alternative.
they, sw, are also probably the one of most activate groups in anti fascism, which is the heart of the problem I was referring to.

 

[JimPage]

Thanks Butchers, started a thread on that. From what I understand from people on the ground (http://is.gd/rKfK) the BNP surprised a lot of people with the amount of canvassing and leafleting done, especially in the last days of the campaign. I cannot decide how much (if any) a contribution came from the arrests in the NW in the two days around polling day.

My understanding is that they did a leaflet-only campaign , with a focus on postal voters- and relied mainly on their North Manchester activists- they arent putting any effort into any by election between a few weeks ago and June where they dont have a reasonable possibility of winning

 

[JimPage]

Lowles doesn't mention .. yet

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/

He is too busy boasting how Searchlight have got the BNP rattled and boasting how well Searchlight are organised in Manchester

Lancaster Unity also forgets to report this election.....

 

[Meltingpot]

In a word, No. And Fiore, like it or not , is now an MEP,and this meeting was more about cementing links in the run up to the euro elections with a view to re-juvenating the ITS Euronationalist blok in the European Parliament

http://www.predict09.eu/default/en-us/state_analyses.aspx

Suevery published two days ago indicates that Euronationaslist parties from Austria, Belguim, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and Italy will probably get in as well as Eastern Europe, whisch i dont know too much about, as well as acknowledging the BNP could win a seat.

A pathetic political response as usual from Searchlight, simply describing this as a Nazi Rally

Fair do's.

 

[Fedayn]

In a word, No. And Fiore, like it or not , is now an MEP,and this meeting was more about cementing links in the run up to the euro elections with a view to re-juvenating the ITS Euronationalist blok in the European Parliament

http://www.predict09.eu/default/en-us/state_analyses.aspx

Suevery published two days ago indicates that Euronationaslist parties from Austria, Belguim, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and Italy will probably get in as well as Eastern Europe, whisch i dont know too much about, as well as acknowledging the BNP could win a seat.

A pathetic political response as usual from Searchlight, simply describing this as a Nazi Rally

And even more idiocy from the News of the Screws.... This smacks totally of desperation now and this is really fucking desperate....

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/258860/BNP-deputy-leader-Simon-Darby-is-given-a-NAZI-SALUTE-at-a-fascist-rally-in-Italy-British-National-Party.html

One slightly interesting note however is that it looks like the BNP have transferred their Italian links from Fini and the AN (not even to Storace and La Destra which would imho be 'more' logical given the BNP's trajectory) over to Fiore and the FN. FN are certainly no modernising rightist party and are openly and avowedly fascist.

 

[durruti02]

He is too busy boasting how Searchlight have got the BNP rattled and boasting how well Searchlight are organised in Manchester

Lancaster Unity also forgets to report this election.....

yes they appear to be doing a massive amount of work re the Euros

 

[butchersapron]

Really stupid international move that, old friendships die hard it seems. (the FN thing i mean).

 

[durruti02]

apparrently the BNP have barred local groups from doing blogs for the elections as the language could be off message!

 

[frogwoman]

apparrently the BNP have barred local groups from doing blogs for the elections as the language could be off message!

reckon it could have an effect?

 

[Zachor]

reckon it could have an effect?

Depends how bright the local groups are. There are some groups who are allegedly ignoring the 'no extremist images' guidance from the bnp's election manual and using the 'race and nation' slogan,

The problem is they are building from the ground up and now need to reach out a bit further for votes during the euros. I think if the bnp can keep their goons and more creepy supporters out of the way they could pick up a whole load of votes from people with genuine grievances about NL but who don't see the Tories as just NL witha different badge.

I hope I'm wrong but if Westminster doesn't get its house in order and start dealing with peoples grievances then we are goign to see some very ugly poltics both up to and after the next GE.

It doesn't help that the govt is seen to no platform nationalist fascists as many would say is a correct thing to do whilst cosying up to religious fascists in order to prevent violence. This has not gone unnoticed and will be exploited by the nationalist fash in the coming years. NL and the economy have given the nationalist fash a well manured plot to grow in, I think that sensible government could outmanouver the nationalist fash with policies that addressed the concern of those floating voters who are crossing the Rubicon of voting for fash when other parties such as what was the Labour party should have stopped this from happening.

However I have yet to see a government do the sensible thing.

 

[JimPage]

apparrently the BNP have barred local groups from doing blogs for the elections as the language could be off message!

They did that last November, when all of the lcoal BNP blogs transmogrified themselves into Independant Community blogs

 

[JimPage]

Just a few odds and sods about their County Council campaign as they are starting to annouce where they are standing. Full slates of candidates announced so far in Ashfield (Nottinghamshire CC) Charnwood, Melton and NW Leicestershire (Leicestershire CC), 8 in Copeland, 7 in Allerdale (Cumbria CC)

 

[JimPage]

Just a few odds and sods about their County Council campaign as they are starting to annouce where they are standing. Full slates of candidates announced so far in Ashfield (Nottinghamshire CC) Charnwood, Melton and NW Leicestershire (Leicestershire CC), 8 in Copeland, 7 in Allerdale (Cumbria CC)

Their county council intentions are becoming more clear now-- nominations close next week I think

Full slate HiNckley and Bosworth so that's already well over half of the 52 Leicestershire seats being fought

A third of the 77 seats on Hertfordshire county council

 

[JimPage]

Their county council intentions are becoming more clear now-- nominations close next week I think

Full slate HiNckley and Bosworth so that's already well over half of the 52 Leicestershire seats being fought

A third of the 77 seats on Hertfordshire county council

More coming in

Full slate of 17 in Carlisle

Over 100 in East Midlands alone

 

[durruti02]

thinking of searchlight and all, the phrase [trying ] to close the gate after the horse has bolted seems kinda relevant

 

[trevhagl]

thinking of searchlight and all, the phrase [trying ] to close the gate after the horse has bolted seems kinda relevant

Their biggest problem is trying to convince people to vote Tory or Labour when these are the cunts who've caused everyone's problems in the first place.
I will probably vote if there's a nazi standing in my area, but not if the only choice was a Tory

 

[durruti02]

Their biggest problem is trying to convince people to vote Tory or Labour when these are the cunts who've caused everyone's problems in the first place.
I will probably vote if there's a nazi standing in my area, but not if the only choice was a Tory

fair play .. keep us informed of whats happenning in durham mate .. sounds if it could be a big area for bnp and hopefully something differrent!

 

[Stoat Boy]

Their biggest problem is trying to convince people to vote Tory or Labour when these are the cunts who've caused everyone's problems in the first place.
I will probably vote if there's a nazi standing in my area, but not if the only choice was a Tory

So you would rather see the BNP gain a seat than vote Tory ?

 

[butchersapron]

East Ecclesfield ward, Sheffield

LD - 2,239
Lab - 1,420
BNP - 716
Con - 564
Green- 107

2008 result:

British National Party - 677
Liberal Democrat - 2314
Conservative - 582
Green Party -181
Labour Party - 1622

Turnout: 38.42%

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Their biggest problem is trying to convince people to vote Tory or Labour when these are the cunts who've caused everyone's problems in the first place.
I will probably vote if there's a nazi standing in my area, but not if the only choice was a Tory

Clothes peg on the nose time if you have to vote Tory to keep out the BNP. I certainly would, in the same way that I would have voted Chirac against Le Pen.

I'd even vote UKIP to keep out the BNP. BNP are qualitatively different.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

East Ecclesfield ward, Sheffield

LD - 2,239
Lab - 1,420
BNP - 716
Con - 564
Green- 107

2008 result:

British National Party - 677
Liberal Democrat - 2314
Conservative - 582
Green Party -181
Labour Party - 1622

Turnout: 38.42%

BNP the only party that didn't see it's vote drop. A distant third but surely this sort of contest is not about winning?

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

Yes - not a good sign when they can maintain their vote in these huge wards on what i expect is a reduced turnout. Suggests a solid core they can organise around in the medium term. 13% in a region they're expected to do will in in June as well (threshold expeceted to be around 11.5%). I was talking to a Green candidate last week and she was absolutely insistent that they (the Greens not BNP) were going to win a seat in Yorkshire and Humber - despite all evidence to the contrary - there seemed to be real denial over the BNPs potential to win a seat in the NW allied with unrealistic expectations of the Greens prospects up there.

edit: just checked the turnout - only slightly down - 36.01%

 

[treelover]

One of the things is i have noticed is that on CIF and other discussion boads, those oppossed to the BNP are usually very abusive, agressive and resort to satire which gets very repetitive, the BNP posters (on thier terms and not all), often come across as reasonable with arguements that seem in tune with many ordinary punters(though we have the crackpots with their genetic thoeries, etc).In effect, they, the anti's seem to be fighting the battles of the 80's, etc, I susepct the next decade will see a resurgence of the F/R and the anti-s have to come up with more sophicated strategies

btw, the Ecclesfield result, Sheffield has largely been a F/R free zone since the 80's , something happening here.