Griffin and BNP strategy
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Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
Stoke has me worried...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow ,THANKS.
Stoke has me worried...
Me too. The idea of a major conurbation being run by fash is something that hasn't yet been seen and it is concerning. Sadly the oppositon to the BNP just isn't effective and in some cases by not attacking equally the crimes of other sorts of fash as well as the BNP alienates those who are being targetted by BNP for votes.
In areas like Dagenham when I lived there the Anti fash groups, because they were so tainted by their association with extreme left groupuscules, were not seen as being on the side of the locals and it made the BNP's job of getting their vote out easier. If appropriate campaigning had been done then the BNP wouldn't have done half as well. Another self foot shooting 'success' from the Left Anti Racists.
butchersapron
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Got the mainstream parties worried too - ditched the elected mayor for fear of a BNP victory, rejected all-out start all over again elections as well. Not that it matters as they keep getting arrested for corruption and dropping PR bonuses in the BNP's laps and the govt is likely to step in pretty soon.
Stoke has me worried...
The whole bloody lot of them have me worried. I may not be in the UK any more and no plans to return but I don't want to see the country fucked up by that bunch.
They use any subject they can to get attention regardless of any genuine interest in it.
They have used the miners strike to fain an interest in local politics and even subjects like wife beating to 'paki' bash.
Dangerous bunch of cretins that really need exposing for the bunch of bastards that they are.
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
Apparently from a 'reliable source' and reported on Socialist Unity that armed police have surrounded the house of a leading BNP member in Corsham, Wiltshire, and have dug up his garden and recovered small arms and cross bows.
If true, another BNP loon banged up.
If true, another BNP loon banged up.
Meeting actually went ahead - in, oddly enough, Corsham
Nowt in any of the papers or media today about the Corsham arresst- suggest SU go speak to their very good freinds at searchlight, who will in tune speak to their very good freinds in the police to confirm
FrankMcGill
New Member
Country is already fucked up. Is that why you fucked off?
What are you worried about? To many immigrants? The smoking ban? What exactly?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
St Helens - Parr
Councillor Andy Bowden (Labour)- 851
Mark Arnold (Independent) 98
Barry Dodd (Liberal Democrat) 511
Andrea Pennington (Green) 27
Paul Telford (BNP)183
Madeleine Wilcock (Conservative) 55
Turn out was 20.14%
St Helens - Rainhill
Barrie Grunewald (Labour- )1562
Denise Aspinall (Liberal Democrat) 1059
Stephen Bligh (Conservative) 512
David Rothwell (Green) 80
Eric Swindells (BNP) 215
Turn out was 38.15%
St Helens - Rainhill Parish West
Barrie Grunewald (Labour) 405 votes
Denise Aspinall (Liberal Democrat) 219
Stephen Bligh (Conservative) 52
Eric Swindells (BNP) 54. Turn out was 36.37%.
Councillor Andy Bowden (Labour)- 851
Mark Arnold (Independent) 98
Barry Dodd (Liberal Democrat) 511
Andrea Pennington (Green) 27
Paul Telford (BNP)183
Madeleine Wilcock (Conservative) 55
Turn out was 20.14%
St Helens - Rainhill
Barrie Grunewald (Labour- )1562
Denise Aspinall (Liberal Democrat) 1059
Stephen Bligh (Conservative) 512
David Rothwell (Green) 80
Eric Swindells (BNP) 215
Turn out was 38.15%
St Helens - Rainhill Parish West
Barrie Grunewald (Labour) 405 votes
Denise Aspinall (Liberal Democrat) 219
Stephen Bligh (Conservative) 52
Eric Swindells (BNP) 54. Turn out was 36.37%.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They'd stood in Rainhill before - 299 votes last time, so slightly down - but everyone seemed to be down by similar proportion.
Those results might show that they're not going to pick up the 20%+ that they getting in 'white flight' areas C1 areas straight off the bat. Areas like this ill have longer local political tradtions and labour still has more roots in the community, more so than areas with lots of newcomers and so on anyway - the old structures and networks will take longer to displace in areas like this. 10-16% in a couple wards in one town sets them up nicely to build towards that 20%+ in coming years though.
Those results might show that they're not going to pick up the 20%+ that they getting in 'white flight' areas C1 areas straight off the bat. Areas like this ill have longer local political tradtions and labour still has more roots in the community, more so than areas with lots of newcomers and so on anyway - the old structures and networks will take longer to displace in areas like this. 10-16% in a couple wards in one town sets them up nicely to build towards that 20%+ in coming years though.
butchersapron
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It is crap but that's a meaningless parish seat that they only ran in so they'd look as if they're part of the local political mainstream - base building. It's the other two votes that are the important ones.
Why can't people realise that it's the VOTING PUBLIC who have got the BNP where it is today!
There are so many pissed off 'floating' voters out there now, being as the lib/lab/con trio are all singing from the same hymn sheet, the only option they see open to them is the BNP.
Like them or loathe them, the BNP are here to stay, and are getting ever increasing votes all over the place.
Why the other parties CAN'T sway these voters away from the BNP, god knows.
Possibly because the BNP's ideals actually match with so many 'normal' peoples, that this is the only option left??
You can't blame the BNP for taking advantage of the situation, you can ONLY blame the current government for pissing so many people off, so much, that they've 'turned' to the protest vote.
And if that's what it takes to get the "one eyed scottish idiot" out, then, so be it!!!
There are so many pissed off 'floating' voters out there now, being as the lib/lab/con trio are all singing from the same hymn sheet, the only option they see open to them is the BNP.
Like them or loathe them, the BNP are here to stay, and are getting ever increasing votes all over the place.
Why the other parties CAN'T sway these voters away from the BNP, god knows.
Possibly because the BNP's ideals actually match with so many 'normal' peoples, that this is the only option left??
You can't blame the BNP for taking advantage of the situation, you can ONLY blame the current government for pissing so many people off, so much, that they've 'turned' to the protest vote.
And if that's what it takes to get the "one eyed scottish idiot" out, then, so be it!!!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ideals such as what, for instance?
ok how then do we explain the big votes in what appear to be solid ex labour seats in the east and central midlands ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Well, there are a number of possible factors - these places have been left behind far more than places like St Helens has - compare the poverty/inequality/unemployment/benefits levels etc with Stoke (which is pretty much in the bottom three across the board). Far longer standing and better local activists and networks and consequently more BNP resources applied (and better targetted) - it took time to wear down those labour networks in those places, it'll take time in St Helens and other new target areas.
butchersapron
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Pendlebury Ward - Salford
Lab 1055 38.2%
Con 874 31.6%
BNP 373 13.5%
LD 368 13.3%
Ind 49 1.8%
Grn 43 1.6%
13.3-13.6% here in previous elections.
Lab 1055 38.2%
Con 874 31.6%
BNP 373 13.5%
LD 368 13.3%
Ind 49 1.8%
Grn 43 1.6%
13.3-13.6% here in previous elections.
Just a little bit up, leadfrogging the Lib Dems in this ward. Green vote unspeabale, again
Potentially interesting by election next week in Melton Mowbray, a town they have dome fairly well in, albeit in a rural, tory stronghold ward
Pendlebury Ward 2008
Candidate Party Votes cast
* WARNER Barry Labour 975
ALLCOCK Peter Gregory Conservative 826
CORRY Christine Liberal Democrat 375
TAYLOR Wayne British National 352
CREMINS Stuart Anthony Independent 117
Electorate 8967 Majority 149
Void votes 8 Turnout 29.6%
isnlt that the same pattern suggestting a big uaf campaign .. an increase in a vote for the govt at a by election is strange
butchersapron
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Possibly, but i'm not convinced (and i don;pt know what, if nayhting UAF did up there) Local By elections are often weird - there's been all sorts over the last year, labour surges, total labour collapses, labour firm votes, tory surges etc. That's just part of the game i think. A Parliamentary by election would tell us more.
No parliamentary by elections- but few council by elections in next few weeks in Melton Mowbray, Redcar, Leeds, Manchester, Chichester, Redbridge, Grimsby and Calderdale - a good geographic spread there
There wont be that many more, anything else in next few months is likely to be held on same day as Euro election, 4th June
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
What do people make of the BNP hijacking Winston Churchill and the Battle of Britain for their political ends? Nicholas Soames (Churchill's grandson) has written an angry condemnatioin of this recently.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
as much as i hate fash it's nothing that other politicians/political parties havent done - witness tony blair trying to be all "statesmenlike" for e.g. and performance over the iraq war
witness as well gordon brown's latest insult to WWII veterans - nothing the fash are doing that isn't being done by the other political parties
its the least of their crimes imo
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