Griffin and BNP strategy

[Paulie Tandoori]

i attended a meeting with Nick Lowles and various Searchlight apparatchiks this week. They have brought over some w/c obama union organisers who told us how they got the votes out for obama .. very interesting but to what affect ( diff thread) .. BUT the whole purpose was to launch their June 08 euro campaign the thrust of which is to increase the overall vote to make it harder for the BNP to get candidates elected which they seem to be on course to do.

I challenged Lowles on the recent Hyde vote, for which the anti bnp campaign is essentially the same tactic, and he claimed this as a victory .. yet look at the vote .. a 5% increase to 29% of the overall vote .. and an almost 60% increase on their 2003 vote yet only 4% increase on the split .. clearly the stategy has been to increase the non bnp turnout

one of the ideas the americans have given Lowles is that it is not worth arguing with those who will not listen but better to concentrate on the middle ground

i was not the only person at the meeting who sayed that we need to and CAN actually stop the BNP vote .. that the BNP vote is STILL soft and we must relate to those voters before the turn fascist

i went to a lecture with thomas gensemer this week who did the e-campaign for obama, as well as some walmart stuff. and who is now linking up with searchlight apparently on bnp stuff. he's got a background in direct mail whereby it seems the marketing is more important than the message. Where the local activism is used to push the national product but pays no regard to what that localism says, explicitly.

 

[agricola]

i went to a lecture with thomas gensemer this week who did the e-campaign for obama, as well as some walmart stuff. and who is now linking up with searchlight apparently on bnp stuff. he's got a background in direct mail whereby it seems the marketing is more important than the message. Where the local activism is used to push the national product but pays no regard to what that localism says, explicitly.

That will be a BNP MP in a couple of years, then.

 

[durruti02]

i went to a lecture with thomas gensemer this week who did the e-campaign for obama, as well as some walmart stuff. and who is now linking up with searchlight apparently on bnp stuff. he's got a background in direct mail whereby it seems the marketing is more important than the message. Where the local activism is used to push the national product but pays no regard to what that localism says, explicitly.

he he yeah .. sounds similar mate .. using a tactic/form for a particular end .. so in the other case community organising, but not to empower but narrowly as a pre electoral strategy that will simply shore up labour.. tbh it is dishonest but hey we are talking searchlight so ..

 

[durruti02]

That will be a BNP MP in a couple of years, then.

lol how true

 

[durruti02]

from bnp ..

"In Sevenoaks in Kent, BNP candidate Paul Golding, won the formerly safe Labour seat of Swanley St Mary’s with a 41.8% vote share. The Labour and Conservative candidates were trounced in a ward that the BNP had never contested before.

In North West Leicestershire, BNP candidate Roy Harban, gained a 28.1% vote share in Thringstone pushing the Liberal Democrat candidate into 4th place in another ward that the BNP had never fought before.

In Lewisham, BNP candidate Tess Culnane, polled 10.6% of the vote in Downham ward where the BNP haven’t stood a candidate for seven years.

In Harrogate, BNP candidate Steven Gill, polled 9.1% - a 50% increase on the vote share gained by the BNP candidate back May 2007 and three times as many votes cast for the Labour candidate.

Our election campaigning from now until the European Elections on June 4th is all about increasing the British National Party’s share of the vote . . . and last night this was achieved in a quite spectacular fashion.

SEVENOAKS COUNCIL

Swanley St Mary’s Ward

Paul GOLDING (BNP) 408

Mike HOGG (Lab) 332

Tony Searles (Con) 247

BNP Percentage: 41.8%
May 2007: LAB 462/420, CON 208/197, UKIP 165.

NORTH WEST LEICS COUNCIL

Thringstone Ward

Ray WOODWARD (Lab) 593

Tony DANDY (Con) 520

Roy HARBAN (BNP) 465

Terence MORRELL (Lib-Dem) 76

BNP Percentage: 28.1%
May 2007: LAB 634/564, CON 501/376, LD 355/331.

LEWISHAM COUNCIL

Downham Ward

Jenni CLUTTEN (Lib-Dem) 1075

Duwayne BROOKS (Lib-Dem) 1067

Damien EGAN (Lab) 655

Christine ALLISON (Con) 654

Pauline Morrison (Lab) 635

Andrew LEE (Con) 632

Tess CULNANE (BNP) 287

Cath MILLER (Green) 63

Lee ROACH (Green) 62

BNP Party Percentage: 10.6%

May 2006 result LD 2230/1117/1106 LAB 590/586/554 CON 403/330/326 GRN 153/149/137.

HARROGATE COUNCIL

Bilton Ward

Clare McKENZIE (Lib-Dem) 902
Sharon BENTLEY (Con) 673

Steven GILL (BNP) 164

Andrew GRAY (Lab) 51


BNP Percentage: 9.2%

May 2007: LD 974, CON 877, BNP 122.

 

[JimPage]

With the focus rightly on Swanley result, its easy to miss the NW Lecicestershire one - at 28.1% enough to win some split wards

Standing in council by elections in Broxtowe, Carlisle, Newcastle Under Lyne, Atherstone, St Helens and Salford. They may fight one in Inverness. By election upcoming in a Leeds ward they polled 22% in May 2008

 

[Reese]

Lets not get carried away, the other month the BNP polled 6%...yes 6% in a bye-election in Haywards Heath. They were thrashed by the Lab/Con/Lib Dems!!!!!

 

[butchersapron]

You are getting carried away by isolating that result and ignoring any wider dynamic or trend.

 

[Gavin Bl]

Lets not get carried away, the other month the BNP polled 6%...yes 6% in a bye-election in Haywards Heath. They were thrashed by the Lab/Con/Lib Dems!!!!!

I live there, and was delighted to see them get a poor showing - but IIRC there were about 4 elections around that time that the BNP contested, and the HH result was the only low result, the others were up in the twenties. i.e. it was the exception rather than the rule.

 

[JimPage]

I live there, and was delighted to see them get a poor showing - but IIRC there were about 4 elections around that time that the BNP contested, and the HH result was the only low result, the others were up in the twenties. i.e. it was the exception rather than the rule.

Haywards Heath was poor for them, as was Waddon, but as you say, look at the results as a whole since Boston, and slightly before then as well. Its arguabely the best run of by election results they have ever had, and we are only just dipping into recession

 

[audiotech]

Every white should have a big family because the Asians are outbreeding us. In 50 years we’ll be in the minority because our women want to have a career and all that bollocks.

Paul Golding​

​

, the BNP’s new councillor in Swanley, Kent, speaking to an undercover Daily Mirror reporter in 2001.

May have problems getting the female vote out next time.

​

 

[durruti02]

May have problems getting the female vote out next time.

sadly, fascism, historically, doesn't generally have a problem getting out the female vote .. will be interesting to see how that pans out for the bnp over the next few years

 

[audiotech]

sadly, fascism, historically, doesn't generally have a problem getting out the female vote .. will be interesting to see how that pans out for the bnp over the next few years

It's clear that not all women are fascists, but without their votes, few fascists would ever be elected.

I came accross this:

A quarter of Mosley's British Union of Fascists (BUF) were female and some of those were former suffragettes. Interviews with women members of the pre-war BUF reveal that many joined because they found Mosley - dubbed "the Rudolph Valentino of Fascism" - charismatic, masculine and attractive. Typical was Gladys Walsh, women's district leader of the BUF's Limehouse branch in the mid-1930s. She said Mosley "was one of the great leaders of our time, I think. Above all things, he was a man."

source

An article here on women and fascism.

 

[butchersapron]

13% down from 15%-17% in 'troubled' broxtowe last night - turnour similiar to previous election. Tory vote circa same as last time and Labour did better than expected, vote much held up - BNP thought they'd done enough to eat into their vote but didn't.

 

[JimPage]

13% down from 15%-17% in 'troubled' broxtowe last night - turnour similiar to previous election. Tory vote circa same as last time and Labour did better than expected, vote much held up - BNP thought they'd done enough to eat into their vote but didn't.

I think this was due to a relatively poor campaign by local BNP group which was leafletting only. The one to watch in North Warwickshire Atherstone next week

Following from independant as to the 2 Carlisle by elections next week

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/is-the-bnp-becoming-cumbrias-cup-of-tea-1634246.html

First few BNP lead Euro Candidates confirmed -no real surprises here-
NW England Nick Griffin
West Midlands- Simon Darby
Scotland - Debbie McKnight
SE England- Tim Rait

 

[durruti02]

I think this was due to a relatively poor campaign by local BNP group which was leafletting only. The one to watch in North Warwickshire Atherstone next week

wingfield
"For members and supporters of the British National Party, the result provides a much-needed reality check - nothing comes easily in nationalist politics.

After our wins in Boston and Swanley, near misses in Durham, Whitehaven, Ibstock and Bexley, and the substantial votes polled in Newcastle and Manchester, people might be starting to think that excellent BNP election results can achieved by just filling in a nomination form. That is certainly not the case.

In each of these contests, every voter was canvassed, every door was knocked upon, thousands of voters were spoken to on their doorstep, and then on polling day there was a meticulous plan of action put into place to make sure our support actually went and voted.

Of course it’s not always possible to conduct such intense campaigns, and with a Party like the BNP, which gets attacks from so many quarters, when we can’t pull out all the stops in a by-election then this will be reflected in our vote.

In Broxtowe out team fought a very good campaign with the resources available and organiser Nina Brown reports over 30 enquiries for membership, which if actually turned into new recruits will boost the numbers in the local campaign team for the next election there whenever it is.

The night was another disaster for UKIP with their candidate receiving a derisory 31 votes, just 1.4%.

Four more by-elections next Thursday with two in Carlisle, one in Newcastle-under-Lyme and one in Atherstone. Just like last night, it’s again all about BNP vote share and our activists in these areas will be out at the weekend trying to build our support so that we can reach those targets."

 

[butchersapron]

Coup[le of interesting things from the January advisory council minutes:

Membership Department reported the following breakdown of the percentages of membership categories:

Gold memberships 13.02%
Family memberships 16.15%
Standard memberships 39.68%
Senor Citizen memberships 18.96%
Unwaged memberships 10.02%
Student memberships 0.01%

All local BNP blogs must change their names and operate instead as a local community website. Use of the BNP logo must be discontinued. It is impossible to control and oversee local websites centrally for legality of content and this measure protects the Party from any potentially costly legal challenges. Action: National Organiser

9. Operation ‘Fightback’
Actions taken must be subtle but need to deal effectively with the hostility directed at the Party and several examples of previously successful action were cited. The e.bulletins currently being circulated which identify these individuals and organisations will be monitored and supervised.
Action: Eddy Butler

11. Excalibur
The Excalibur merchandising operation will now be run privately by Arthur Kemp under an annually renewable licence from the Party. This is a saving to the Party in terms of storage costs and postage. Arthur will continue to work on the website, write the Party’s Education and Training manuals and will be overseeing Radio RWB.

 

[JimPage]

BNP Lead Candiates for June

Scot Gary Raikes
NW Nick Griffin
NE Adam Walker
Yorks Andrew Brons
EM Robert West
WM Simon Darby
Wales Ennys Hughes
East Eddy Butler
SE Tim Rait
SW Jeremy Wotherspoon

So that's Griffin and Andrew Brons as most likely to get in

 

[audiotech]

BNP Lead Candiates for June

Scot Gary Raikes
NW Nick Griffin
NE Adam Walker
Yorks Andrew Brons
EM Robert West
WM Simon Darby
Wales Ennys Hughes
East Eddy Butler
SE Tim Rait
SW Jeremy Wotherspoon

So that's Griffin and Andrew Brons as most likely to get in

Andrew Bron's? Formerly of the National Front. Probably the only college lecturer in the NF at the time (none now of course). He was regularly picketed when he taught in Harrogate, North Yorkshire. The band, 'No Swastikas', or 'The Redskins', as they became to be known, were instrumental in capturing an NF flag at one of these pickets and setting it alight.

 

[butchersapron]

Atherstone Central Ward by-election(North warwickshire)

Labour 320
Tory 221
BNP 186 (22%)
IND 136

First time out.

Ravenscliffe Ward by-election (Newcastle-under-lyme)

Con 229
Lab 213
BNP 180 (20%)
LDem 149
UKIP 131

First time out.

Castle ward by-election(Carlisle)

Lib Dem 465
Lab 304
BNP 255(19.7%)
Con 143
Green 125

First time out.

Belah ward by-election(Carlisle)

Con 700
Lab 307
Ind 221
BNP 142 (9.4% - up about 5% i think)
LD 79
Grn 61

Anyone spot a pattern?

 

[frogwoman]

Coup[le of interesting things from the January advisory council minutes:

Interesting stuff butchers. Where can I get hold of a copy?

 

[butchersapron]

http***** //bnp.org.uk/resources/ac-meetings/january-2009/

 

[frogwoman]

cheers dude
interesting stuff about the "community websites" and the increased numbers of senior citizens - why do you think that is? oh, and looks like they're taking a bit of a leaf out of the SWPs book in regard to the front groups - or is that the other way round?

 

[Prince Rhyus]

I'd be worried about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7927887.stm - with both the two mainstream parties having had councillors arrested, and the BNP with nine councillors on the council plus the economic downturn =

 

[audiotech]

Anyone spot a pattern?

I can clearly see a recent period of good results for the BNP, that will rally their troops in the run up to the Euro's.

However, the leadership still have a lot to play for. I think the Labour vote held up well in at least one seat and an independent could well have played a part in another?

Any indication of anti-BNP voters coming out?

Any idea of the turn-outs?

 

[butchersapron]

I was referring to a run of 20% plus returns in areas where they had previously never stood.

 

[audiotech]

I was referring to a run of 20% plus returns in areas where they had previously never stood.

I have been aware of that trend for some time now.

 

[durruti02]

Atherstone Central Ward by-election(North warwickshire)

Labour 320
Tory 221
BNP 186 (22%)
IND 136

First time out.

Ravenscliffe Ward by-election (Newcastle-under-lyme)

Con 229
Lab 213
BNP 180 (20%)
LDem 149
UKIP 131

First time out.

Castle ward by-election(Carlisle)

Lib Dem 465
Lab 304
BNP 255(19.7%)
Con 143
Green 125

First time out.

Belah ward by-election(Carlisle)

Con 700
Lab 307
Ind 221
BNP 142 (9.4% - up about 5% i think)
LD 79
Grn 61

Anyone spot a pattern?

er that 10% became 20%?

would they not have hoped for more in the Mids?

 

[JimPage]

Andrew Bron's? Formerly of the National Front. Probably the only college lecturer in the NF at the time (none now of course). He was regularly picketed when he taught in Harrogate, North Yorkshire. The band, 'No Swastikas', or 'The Redskins', as they became to be known, were instrumental in capturing an NF flag at one of these pickets and setting it alight.

Yes, the very same Andrew Brons. And although official lists to be clarified
yet, no place on the list for Mark Collett in yorkshire

An astute move by Griffin, and Brons is well likes in the BNP- and will probably be able to hold his own in Brussels if elected

 

[JimPage]

er that 10% became 20%?

would they not have hoped for more in the Mids?

First time they fought any seat in the two boroughs concerned, so do not think 20% is a bad first effort for them