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Griffin and BNP strategy

CUMBRIANDRAGON said:
It would make more sense to build a community action network.All this anti bnp stuff is a waste of time.

The only anti stuff that may work would be anti political party festival.
Or community action festival.

The only way to win is community action. Imagine if all these anti bnp groups put their energy into really building up community action groups .The bnp would be seen in their true light nazi power crazed spoilt brats.
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totally agree with you mate .. too much like hard work i think
 
CUMBRIANDRAGON said:
It would make more sense to build a community action network.All this anti bnp stuff is a waste of time.

The only anti stuff that may work would be anti political party festival.
Or community action festival.

The only way to win is community action. Imagine if all these anti bnp groups put their energy into really building up community action groups .The bnp would be seen in their true light nazi power crazed spoilt brats.
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politics to me is the decision process by which that which is produced by society is divided amongst society. So how could an ACTION network, which presumably takes action to ensure what is produced by society is distributed more equitably, be said to be anti political?

And when you say win, do you mean we within capitalism, or by over throwing it?
 
The good results keep coming:

East wickham ward by-election(Bexley)

Tory 798
BNP 790
Lab 700
LDem 564
ED 128

The ED candiate might get a smack in the gob tonight.

Canvey East town council

IND 429
Tories 328
BNP 229
Labour 151

One other count today in Bentswood ward (Mid Sussex DC). Can someone do the % on that Canvey one?
 
Bexley East Wickham 26.5%
Canvey Island East 20.1%
Mid Sussex Bentswood 6.6%

I think it is now fair to say what was becoming obvious since their win in Boston in November - they are succesfully taking advantage of the recession
 
As a comparison to the East Wickham results, here are the ward level results for this ward from May 2008 for the GLA Elections. BNP second even then but tory majority has since collapsed. And this isnt the BNP`S best ward in Bexley either. I wont pass comment of the left results here.....

Conservative 1452
BNP 530
Labour Party 510
Lib Dem 234
UKIP 160
Abolish Con Charge 102
Green Party 95
English Democrat 74
Christian Choice 72
Respect 8
One London 6
Left List 5
Peace & Socialism 2
Alagaratnam, Rathy 0
 
BA, do you mean that had they not stood, the ED vote would have gone to the BNP and they would have won?


btw, these are % there far left can only dream of, yet if you go to blogs like Socialist Unity, you would think there was no problem: particulalry as they think the IP issue is giving them momentum in some communities, haven'they learn't from the Respect debacle. Until the left focuses on the basics, the far right will continue to grow.
 
JimPage said:
Bexley East Wickham 26.5%
Canvey Island East 20.1%
Mid Sussex Bentswood 6.6%

I think it is now fair to say what was becoming obvious since their win in Boston in November - they are succesfully taking advantage of the recession
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Glad to see they did get too far in bentswood (though its still one vote in 15) - thats Haywards Heath, largely a very affluent commuter town in West Sussex.

Bentswood is basically the poor bit - the only bit of the entire town (pop ~30K) that votes Labour - so it must fit the bill for them. Didn't even realise they were standing till very, very recently.

From the list that was leaked, they have literally 3 or 4 members there - but I think they have a bit of a base in Crawley to the north.
 
treelover said:
BA, do you mean that had they not stood, the ED vote would have gone to the BNP and they would have won?


btw, these are % there far left can only dream of, yet if you go to blogs like Socialist Unity, you would think there was no problem: particulalry as they think the IP issue is giving them momentum in some communities, haven'they learn't from the Respect debacle. Until the left focuses on the basics, the far right will continue to grow.
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the fascist have succeeded in many places where the left where focusing on the basic issues, haven't they?
 
treelover said:
BA, do you mean that had they not stood, the ED vote would have gone to the BNP and they would have won?


btw, these are % there far left can only dream of, yet if you go to blogs like Socialist Unity, you would think there was no problem: particulalry as they think the IP issue is giving them momentum in some communities, haven'they learn't from the Respect debacle. Until the left focuses on the basics, the far right will continue to grow.
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It was a mix of a very strong tory campaign here and an EDP candidate which kept them out. EDP are glaoting like hell about keeping out the BNP on the UKIP forum, while still having a go at the Lib Dems for standing a Scottish canddiate here
 
One more to watch - By election in Sevonoaks Swanley St Mary- where they have potential to do well

Intresting seeing the nominations for Downham. Lib Dems are standing Duwayne Brooks, the man who was with Steven Lawrence when he was murdered.
 
JimPage said:
One more to watch - By election in Sevonoaks Swanley St Mary- where they have potential to do well

Intresting seeing the nominations for Downham. Lib Dems are standing Duwayne Brooks, the man who was with Steven Lawrence when he was murdered.
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Really? That is interesting.

(Get ready for the intenet rumours about what *really* happened to start circulating again)
 
butchersapron said:
Really? That is interesting.

(Get ready for the intenet rumours about what *really* happened to start circulating again)
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Yup, conformed that it is him standing. Without wanting to sound mawkish I am pleased that Mr Brooks has turned an experience which would have turned me into an emotional wreck into something positive- like the man who beat the BNP politically in Downham
 
Another very good result:

29 January 2009
Byelection Results for Fenham Wards

Con 186
BNP 836 (25%, up from 9% in may 08)
Lib Dem 1,049
Lab 1,025

The 9% was apparently based on one leaflet and no other work, so they come back and do a bit more work and get the result...that suggests a lot of as yet unexploited room to expand into.
 
butchersapron said:
Another very good result:

29 January 2009
Byelection Results for Fenham Wards

Con 186
BNP 836 (25%, up from 9% in may 08)
Lib Dem 1,049
Lab 1,025

The 9% was apparently based on one leaflet and no other work, so they come back and do a bit more work and get the result...that suggests a lot of as yet unexploited room to expand into.
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Best ever vote for them in newcastle, against the lib dems who normally are able to see them off
 
Fenham is a very mixed inner city area, afaik, asians, students, wwc,

not good, if this can happpen there, it can happen in any inner city areas, the pace quickens
 
treelover said:
Fenham is a very mixed inner city area, afaik, asians, students, wwc,

not good, if this can happpen there, it can happen in any inner city areas, the pace quickens
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The BNP are claiming that just over 1 in 10 of the ward's population are from ethnic minorities.

Louis MacNeice
 
treelover said:
yes, but the surrounding area is more asian, voting is often about perception
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Not really the point I was rying to make. I was more pointin up that they got 27% of the total poll from a smaller potential electorate than the three big parties; the amount of resonance that their message has with their target constituents is higher thatn the straight forward figures might lead you to believe.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
I suspect that would be the case yes tl. Can't tell for sure though.
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I dunno if that would be the case. from the ED members I knew they where totally opposed to the BNP primarily because they had either multi-racial family, where Jewish or where anti the Union.

The Eds where stupid thought by not kicking certain suspect memebrs out and for the stupid Mayor election campaign. I think they lost a lot of members because of this.
 
durruti02 said:
maybe wrong thread to answer you rmp, but where exactly have the fasc suceeded where the left have been doing the basics? i don't believe this to be true
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Agree about this being the wrong place to discuss this, but wasn't there and SP councillor who was unseated by a BNP candidate somewhere after an independent split the vote? Any SP members to confirm this?
 
grogwilton said:
Agree about this being the wrong place to discuss this, but wasn't there and SP councillor who was unseated by a BNP candidate somewhere after an independent split the vote? Any SP members to confirm this?
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It was stoke, where a councillor resigned from Labour and joined the SP. when he was up for re-election, BNP won the ward. Wholly right though that SP fougth the ward
 
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