Griffin and BNP strategy

[The Black Hand]

butchersapron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:38 am

Second nothing ward (still...):


Con 1,625 60.0% +8.4%
Lab 729 26.9% -5.1%
LD 318 11.7% -4.7%
BNP 37 1.4% +1.4%

Attica writes;

37votes for the BNP hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha Shite isn't it and aren't they

 

[The Black Hand]

It should be remembered that these seats are ones they they were returing to after the 2004 breakthrough - this would tell us whether we were seeing a simple BNP protest vote that would melt away once it was realised how inept the BNP were, or if we were seeing some genuine roots being laid down.

Just to point out a further and fatal flaw to your reasoning - BNP members competance is only seriously tested when elected and they have to function on council meetings. Here they flounder rather badly. So really ButchersArse, you should have only selected the wards where they were ELECTEd and compared them.

What you have posted is a misleading comparison, and you also failed to post the most important stat and that was the % increase or decrease of the different election years.

Instead what has been posted is 'stat light' headline stuff which is no basis for a real comparative statistical analysis.

 

[The Black Hand]

Also BNP councillor down - by election looming in that area;

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/loca...it-s-not-nice-to-live-in-fear-86081-21324874/

 

[The Black Hand]

11 July 2008
Source: Searchlight

Dismal results for BNP
Sonia Gable

A British National Party candidate won just 37 votes in a by-election in Redbridge, east London. Anthony Young, a retired solicitor, came last out of four candidates, with 1.4%, in Cranbrook ward in the south of the borough, which borders onto Barking and Dagenham, where the BNP has 12 councillors.

In the days before the election on 10 July, Redbridge and Epping Forest Together distributed a leaflet to most of the ward telling voters the truth about the BNP and urging them to use their vote to “keep extremists out of Redbridge”. The leaflet received praise from the three main parties, who all mounted active campaigns.

BNP support in Cranbrook was so low that the party had great difficulty finding ten people to sign the nomination form. From the addresses it was clear the BNP had gone down three neighbouring streets knocking on doors of registered electors with English-sounding names. We have so far not been able to investigate an allegation that three of them thought they were signing a petition rather than a nomination form.

 

[The Black Hand]

Ho ho ho - more trouble and division within the BNP making them look like wankers

11 July 2008
Source: Ilford Recorder

Losing BNP candidate slams his party

THE BRITISH National Party candidate who suffered a crushing defeat in the Cranbrook by-election slated his party's leadership.

Anthony Young, of Belgrave Road, Ilford, said he couldn't understand why he was put forward as a candidate after Cranbrook ward attracted the lowest number of BNP votes among Redbridge's 21 wards in the May 1 elections.

Speaking before the polls opened, he said: "If you were to ask me why we bothered to fight this time round I would have to reply that trying to understand what my party's leadership is thinking is like trying to read the mind of God."

Simon Darby, deputy leader of the BNP, said: "I have no idea why he said that.

"He shouldn't really be coming up with statements like that. He wasn't pushed into standing.

"I would suggest that he won't be standing again."

Mr Young refused to speak to the Recorder over the phone following the Cranbrook by-election, in which the BNP polled just 37 votes.

 

[mk12]

butchersapron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:38 am

Second nothing ward (still...):


Con 1,625 60.0% +8.4%
Lab 729 26.9% -5.1%
LD 318 11.7% -4.7%
BNP 37 1.4% +1.4%

Attica writes;

37votes for the BNP hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha Shite isn't it and aren't they

Unfortunately that type of result isn't a common one at the moment.

 

[The Black Hand]

More on divisions within the BNP - here there is news of a BNP kangeroo court and dodgy dealings;

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/Campaign_News_Activist_is_kicked_out_of_BNP-ref998

 

[The Black Hand]

Unfortunately that type of result isn't a common one at the moment.

BUT it is good news and important as it was a ward next to their Prize area of london. That means that it IS possible to contain the scum.

 

[mk12]

True, but as I say, that type of failure is not being replicated elsewhere.

 

[The Black Hand]

True, but as I say, that type of failure is not being replicated elsewhere.

Yet.....

DOn't be so staid. That is not dialectical, movement always happens.

 

[The Black Hand]

Here's a link to an anti fascist article;

http://journal-articles.googlegroup...boGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRCtAIzYAd7ET1iMmRpdYsL

 

[butchersapron]

Oh look it's another version of your ignored article. Stop spamming a decent thread. And please, bigging up stuff that you wrote yourself is pathetic. Even if it was ignored. At least you're not pretending to be someone else innocently bigging up the same article this time eh? That's a progression - of sorts.

 

[The Black Hand]

Oh look it's another version of you ignored article. Stop spamming a decent thread. And please, bigging up stuff that you wrote yourself is pathetic. Even if it was ignored. At least you're not pretending to be someone else innocently bigging up the same article this time eh? That's a progression - of sorts.

You've been on the pop too much again Piss head

 

[The Black Hand]

Just to point out a further and fatal flaw to your reasoning - BNP members competance is only seriously tested when elected and they have to function on council meetings. Here they flounder rather badly. So really ButchersArse, you should have only selected the wards where they were ELECTEd and compared them.

What you have posted is a misleading comparison, and you also failed to post the most important stat and that was the % increase or decrease of the different election years.

Instead what has been posted is 'stat light' headline stuff which is no basis for a real comparative statistical analysis.

I see you, as usual, have no answer to these political flaws eh Butchers

 

[The Black Hand]

I see you, as usual, have no answer to these political flaws eh Butchers

Failing to answer serious and fatal flaws in your analysis, again Butch!

 

[JimPage]

Unfortunately that type of result isn't a common one at the moment.

This was their second weakest ward in East London in May 2008 after Spitalfields and Banglatown, so need to understand the conext of this vary rare absymal result by them

As to matters BNP , Colin Auty has resigned from the party ( and his Kirklees council seat) after failing in his leadership bid, whic entrenches Griffin even more. It also puts a huge amount of egg on the Voice of Change faction, who were promoting him as the saviour of their ause until last week.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, expect the constitution to be re-written to limit leadership bids to one every 3 (or something like that) years as well.

 

[The Black Hand]

Failing to answer serious and fatal flaws in your analysis, again Butch!

Again.

 

[durruti02]

BNP round up
by butchersapron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:44 am

3) Kirklees, Dalton ward

Labour McBride, Peter Daniel 1397 Held
LIBDEM Liberal Democrat Munro, Alison Louise 1155
CON Conservative Leonard, Martin James 605
BNP British National Party Wright, Jonathan David Baxter 157
GRN Green Hargreaves, David William 103
IND Independent Walder, Colin Anthony 34

Bad result for them, down abiout 400 votes, drop in turnout but still bad.

Attica writes -

For the observant among you - you may want to know the % drop in BNP vote - here it is;

71.813285%

That is the % collapse of the irrelevant, lost and never coming back in one of their so-called 'growth areas'







PS - % calculated on the stats in front of me/you. 'about 400' added to 157 = 557, and the drop to 157 = a % difference between the 2 figures of 71.813285%.

the more observant among us knew long ago that the bnp is all but finished in kirklees for obvious reasons .. it does not disguise the fact ( as you would like it to ) that before the bnp split they well pretty popular there

 

[The Black Hand]

the more observant among us knew long ago that the bnp is all but finished in kirkless for obvious reasons .. it does not disguise the fact ( as you would like it to ) that before the bnp split they well pretty popular there

Where's kirkless?

 

[durruti02]

Just to point out a further and fatal flaw to your reasoning - BNP members competance is only seriously tested when elected and they have to function on council meetings. Here they flounder rather badly. So really ButchersArse, you should have only selected the wards where they were ELECTEd and compared them.

What you have posted is a misleading comparison, and you also failed to post the most important stat and that was the % increase or decrease of the different election years.

Instead what has been posted is 'stat light' headline stuff which is no basis for a real comparative statistical analysis.

butchers quite reasonably selected those seats they had stood in before and returned too .. if you wish to narrow it to where they were elected please do so ..

btw do you think any of us think the bnp make good cllrs? LOL

 

[durruti02]

The first question is;
do the votes cast represent reasonable levels of support?; I'd argue that they do for a small extremist party.

The second question is;
do these result show some evidence of resiliance?; given that they are results from areas previously contested again I'd say they do.

Taking this view it would seem that BNP's fortunes are waxing rather than waning. Of itself this is concerning.

As an indicator of other political challenges facing the us (including but not exclusively the failure of the left to garner support) it is no less worrying.

Louis MacNeice

spot on imho

( apologies for reformating!)

 

[The Black Hand]

butchers quite reasonably selected those seats they had stood in before and returned too .. if you wish to narrow it to where they were elected please do so ..

btw do you think any of us think the bnp make good cllrs? LOL

FFS - he compared it to NOTHING, you couldn't tell how their vote had changed in the years in between - it was a static viewpoint. He included no %%% changes at all so you couldn't come to any conclusions regarding consolidation or atrophy with those percentages.

Basic understanding basic understanding. You lot are too busy being self referential (Back slapping/supporting each other/being nice etc yak) you have no idea of how bad your politics and analysis are.

 

[geoff64]

This Cranbrook Ward thing is weird. No wonder the candidate wonders what the BNP leadership was thinking of. I used to live in that ward. It is close to Barking and Dagenham - which have been the thinking - but when I lived there over 15 years ago it was a largely Asian area and must be even more so now. Thought the BNP would do better in the North East of the borough.

Really, the result was entirely predictable. Like putting up a white supremacist in Whitechapel and wondering why they only get 37 votes

 

[The Black Hand]

FFS - he compared it to NOTHING, you couldn't tell how their vote had changed in the years in between - it was a static viewpoint. He included no %%% changes at all so you couldn't come to any conclusions regarding consolidation or atrophy with those percentages.

Basic understanding basic understanding. You lot are too busy being self referential (Back slapping/supporting each other/being nice etc yak) you have no idea of how bad your politics and analysis are.

Just fort i wud let you all know that this quote reads as accurate as when i first wrote it

 

[JHE]

Don Attica, you can nest quotes, you know. You can quote yourself quoting yourself quoting yourself quoting yourself quoting yourself. (I expect there is some limit, but it's pretty generous.)

burble burble praxis save the badgers praxis burble burble

I agree. Quite right, Doc!

I agree two. That Attica knows a thing or three.

I agree three. A good burble's worth quoting again

So that's unanimous then. Dr Attica does write exceedingly blah blah

See what I mean, Don?

 

[Joe Reilly]

This Cranbrook Ward thing is weird. No wonder the candidate wonders what the BNP leadership was thinking of. I used to live in that ward. It is close to Barking and Dagenham - which have been the thinking - but when I lived there over 15 years ago it was a largely Asian area and must be even more so now. Thought the BNP would do better in the North East of the borough.

Really, the result was entirely predictable. Like putting up a white supremacist in Whitechapel and wondering why they only get 37 votes

There may be a legitimate question mark against why the BNP choose the contest the by-election at all, but can there be any surprises in the self-congratulatory Searchlight analysis neglecting to mention that it is an almost entirely Asian ward.

 

[The Black Hand]

JHE - I know you love following me around but you do tire the patience of a saint ie. Me.

THe bump was to try to elicit an answer to the post, not because I like bumping per se. Rather than merely bump it, i also provoked the opposition some more in order to encourage their anger so they post more rubbish and get further discredited. Clever eh

 

[JHE]

St Attica! Of course! Why didn't I realise before? It's the praxis of badger-saving self-canonisation.

 

[The Black Hand]

St Attica! Of course! Why didn't I realise before? It's the praxis of badger-saving self-canonisation.

I'll say anything to you you know. I'm the pope now.