Griffin and BNP strategy
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The Black Hand
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No - that's wrong. It's a question I am refusing to answer cos it is crap. There are far other and better ideas and lines of argument than that. It is seriously shite.
Is it crap cos you hold an "ultra-left" anarchist position that opposes voting, or for another reason?
anyway, seriously, why do you think it's crap?
i would have thought that if you were part of a left that did contest elections, or support left groups that stood in elections, then this was a reasonable Q. Would you like to have the success that the BNP have managed to accrue? I can think of a few reasons why you might think it an irrelevant Q, but what are your's?
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Incidentally that is where my opinion lies - between the ultra left on one side (IWCA/Butchers arse) and the Searchlight clan on the other. It is part of the area of autonomy
Incidentally that is where my opinion lies - between the ultra left on one side (IWCA/Butchers arse) and the Searchlight clan on the other. It is part of the area of autonomy
Unfortunately, the area of autonomy is located in an obscure corner of the universe.
The Black Hand
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Au contraire - that is the large middle ground where most people are
You ultra left freaks are the ones on your own.
Au contraire - that is the large middle ground where most people are
I will remind people of this when I go to the pub later.
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You've made the blunder. Point to where I've said the BNP were dying, or dead?
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Being 'happy' about some electoral gain is 'politics for dummy's'.
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Incidentally that is where my opinion lies - between the ultra left on one side (IWCA/Butchers arse) and the Searchlight clan on the other. It is part of the area of autonomy
Au contraire - that is the large middle ground where most people are
If most people agree with you, Brig, the sooner you stand for election the better! Don't bother waiting for Dave Douglas or anyone else to change his mind. You are the man of the hour, the people's tribune.
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This is bad news for the BNP and good news for anti fascists everywhere
It shows how thoroughly offensive and Nazi many of them openly are...
From the Socialist Unity site;
On a more personal note, I was pleased to see that in my neck of the woods, BNP Wiltshire organizer, Mike Howsman, was soundly thrashed in Corsham Ward for Corsham Town Council. The BNP won a set in Corsham last year because their candidate stood unopposed. Their poor result in this election undermines the credibility of their existing councillor, Michael Simkins.
Incidently, Mike Howsman is a nasty character. The Bath Chronicle exposed how his bebo account (like MySpace) had links to white supremacist sites (even ones prominently displaying swastikas), but most of the people linking to his site were between 16 and 20 years of age, and whom Howsman had built up links with through infiltrating the Air Cadet Corps.
Corsham Town Council, Wilts.
Lib-Dem – 676 (40.6%)
Con – 399 (24.0%)
Ind – 172 (10.3%)
Ind – 147 (8.8%)
BNP - 119 (7.3%)
It shows how thoroughly offensive and Nazi many of them openly are...From the Socialist Unity site;
On a more personal note, I was pleased to see that in my neck of the woods, BNP Wiltshire organizer, Mike Howsman, was soundly thrashed in Corsham Ward for Corsham Town Council. The BNP won a set in Corsham last year because their candidate stood unopposed. Their poor result in this election undermines the credibility of their existing councillor, Michael Simkins.
Incidently, Mike Howsman is a nasty character. The Bath Chronicle exposed how his bebo account (like MySpace) had links to white supremacist sites (even ones prominently displaying swastikas), but most of the people linking to his site were between 16 and 20 years of age, and whom Howsman had built up links with through infiltrating the Air Cadet Corps.
Corsham Town Council, Wilts.
Lib-Dem – 676 (40.6%)
Con – 399 (24.0%)
Ind – 172 (10.3%)
Ind – 147 (8.8%)
BNP - 119 (7.3%)
The Black Hand
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Shades of Nuremburg? Looks like they are gonna do a Nazi rally - isn't it time for a national left response in Stoke?
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.php?location=news&art=993
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.php?location=news&art=993
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It was yesterday.
The Black Hand
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This election result in Bexley shows that BNP votes - 17% - have come overwhelmingly from the Tories - it is the Tory vote which plummeted here with the BNP standing for the first time;
http://www.aldc.org/-blog/article/187/03/07/2008/Bexley_LBC,_Christchurch
http://www.aldc.org/-blog/article/187/03/07/2008/Bexley_LBC,_Christchurch
The Black Hand
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You're a bit slow then putting it on this thread.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Been looking at the numbers from the May local election results to see what's behind the national vote. Looking at England alone (London excluded as well) they had 343 seats where their vote was over 10%, the majority of them 15%+, and 82 seats in which they came 2nd. Here's the city/town %s in those areas where they've either had past success or stood large slates.
Barnsley - (21 seats contested) average vote across city = 17.36%
Calderdale (9) AV = 16%
Kirkless (20) 14.3%
Leeds (34) 11.2%
Rotherman (5) 27.9%
Wakefield (12) 20.48%
Basildon (14) 14.6%
Broxbourne (12) 15.35%
Epping Forest Loughton (14) 15%
Epping Forest DC (12) 15.5%
Thurrock (19) 21.7%
Southend (17) 10%
Brum (40) 7.5%
Stoke (11) 25.9%
Coventry (13) 11.2%
Dudely (11) 14.5%
Sandwell (12) 17.26%
Nuneanton and Bedworth (12) 20.77%
Solihull (12) 13.47%
Amber valley (7) 26.25%
Lincoln (5) 12.14%
Burnley (11) 21.89%
Bury (8) 11.11%
Carlisle (5) 16.3%
Liverpool (11) 9%
Oldham (5) 16.8%
Pendle (7) 30.43%
Salford (9) 12.48%
St Helens (5) 8.5%
Tameside (8) 21.75%
Wigan (7) 11.2%
Stockport (6) 10.5%)
Sunderland (25) 10.97%
Durham (30) 10.48%
Newcastle (12) 11.37%
South Tyneside (13) 13.18%
North Tyneside (5) 11.56%
Gateshead (12) 11.8%
It should be remembered that these seats are ones they they were returing to after the 2004 breakthrough - this would tell us whether we were seeing a simple BNP protest vote that would melt away once it was realised how inept the BNP were, or if we were seeing some genuine roots being laid down.
Barnsley - (21 seats contested) average vote across city = 17.36%
Calderdale (9) AV = 16%
Kirkless (20) 14.3%
Leeds (34) 11.2%
Rotherman (5) 27.9%
Wakefield (12) 20.48%
Basildon (14) 14.6%
Broxbourne (12) 15.35%
Epping Forest Loughton (14) 15%
Epping Forest DC (12) 15.5%
Thurrock (19) 21.7%
Southend (17) 10%
Brum (40) 7.5%
Stoke (11) 25.9%
Coventry (13) 11.2%
Dudely (11) 14.5%
Sandwell (12) 17.26%
Nuneanton and Bedworth (12) 20.77%
Solihull (12) 13.47%
Amber valley (7) 26.25%
Lincoln (5) 12.14%
Burnley (11) 21.89%
Bury (8) 11.11%
Carlisle (5) 16.3%
Liverpool (11) 9%
Oldham (5) 16.8%
Pendle (7) 30.43%
Salford (9) 12.48%
St Helens (5) 8.5%
Tameside (8) 21.75%
Wigan (7) 11.2%
Stockport (6) 10.5%)
Sunderland (25) 10.97%
Durham (30) 10.48%
Newcastle (12) 11.37%
South Tyneside (13) 13.18%
North Tyneside (5) 11.56%
Gateshead (12) 11.8%
It should be remembered that these seats are ones they they were returing to after the 2004 breakthrough - this would tell us whether we were seeing a simple BNP protest vote that would melt away once it was realised how inept the BNP were, or if we were seeing some genuine roots being laid down.
The Black Hand
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SO you are saying that there are no BNP genuine social roots being put down.
Also I am not sure about the inclusion of Liverpool in your list - 11 is not a large slate out of 60 odd, and 9% is not a high vote. So on your own terms its curious.
The Black Hand
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U need to keep up - I have said I'm not in the 'BNP are dead camp'. I am asking you to define your terms - which is basic politics and should not be difficult at all. However, for you fools it appears that it is.
Eg. - for comparison how many seats did labour have with their vote over 10%? And how many where they came 2nd? THousands I imagine - Butchers is producing stats with NOTHING for comparison which is 'reality lite' sociology and politics. Have you heard the phrase 'Pop sociology' - well that is what Butchers produces - it is next to worthless.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
U need to keep up - I have said I'm not in the 'BNP are dead camp'. I am asking you to define your terms - which is basic politics and should not be difficult at all. However, for you fools it appears that it is.
Eg. - for comparison how many seats did labour have with their vote over 10%? And how many where they came 2nd? THousands I imagine - Butchers is producing stats with NOTHING for comparison which is 'reality lite' sociology and politics. Have you heard the phrase 'Pop sociology' - well that is what Butchers produces - it is next to worthless.
The comparison is with their past performance.
Louis MacNeice
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DOh! It has to be next to it (or linked) or it is worthless. It is no good saying 'it exists', honest.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Originally posted by BA:
"Been looking at the numbers from the May local election results to see what's behind the national vote. Looking at England alone (London excluded as well) they had 343 seats where their vote was over 10%, the majority of them 15%+, and 82 seats in which they came 2nd. Here's the city/town %s in those areas where they've either had past success or stood large slates.
Barnsley - (21 seats contested) average vote across city = 17.36%
Calderdale (9) AV = 16%
Kirkless (20) 14.3%
Leeds (34) 11.2%
Rotherman (5) 27.9%
Wakefield (12) 20.48%
Basildon (14) 14.6%
Broxbourne (12) 15.35%
Epping Forest Loughton (14) 15%
Epping Forest DC (12) 15.5%
Thurrock (19) 21.7%
Southend (17) 10%
Brum (40) 7.5%
Stoke (11) 25.9%
Coventry (13) 11.2%
Dudely (11) 14.5%
Sandwell (12) 17.26%
Nuneanton and Bedworth (12) 20.77%
Solihull (12) 13.47%
Amber valley (7) 26.25%
Lincoln (5) 12.14%
Burnley (11) 21.89%
Bury (8) 11.11%
Carlisle (5) 16.3%
Liverpool (11) 9%
Oldham (5) 16.8%
Pendle (7) 30.43%
Salford (9) 12.48%
St Helens (5) 8.5%
Tameside (8) 21.75%
Wigan (7) 11.2%
Stockport (6) 10.5%)
Sunderland (25) 10.97%
Durham (30) 10.48%
Newcastle (12) 11.37%
South Tyneside (13) 13.18%
North Tyneside (5) 11.56%
Gateshead (12) 11.8%
It should be remembered that these seats are ones they they were returing to after the 2004 breakthrough - this would tell us whether we were seeing a simple BNP protest vote that would melt away once it was realised how inept the BNP were, or if we were seeing some genuine roots being laid down."
Louis MacNeice
The Black Hand
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Indeed he did not put them there did he.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The first question is do the votes cast represent reasonable levels of support; I'd argue that they do for a small extremist party. The second question is do these result show some evidence of resiliance; given that they are results from areas previously contested again I'd say they do. Taking this view it would seem that BNP's fortunes are waxing rather than waning. Of itself this is concerning. As an indicator of other political challenges facing the us (including but not exclusively the failure of the left to garner support) it is no less worrying.
Louis MacNeice
Louis MacNeice
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BNP round up
by butchersapron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:44 am
3) Kirklees, Dalton ward
Labour McBride, Peter Daniel 1397 Held
LIBDEM Liberal Democrat Munro, Alison Louise 1155
CON Conservative Leonard, Martin James 605
BNP British National Party Wright, Jonathan David Baxter 157
GRN Green Hargreaves, David William 103
IND Independent Walder, Colin Anthony 34
Bad result for them, down abiout 400 votes, drop in turnout but still bad.
Attica writes -
For the observant among you - you may want to know the % drop in BNP vote - here it is;
71.813285%
That is the % collapse of the irrelevant, lost and never coming back in one of their so-called 'growth areas'
PS - % calculated on the stats in front of me/you. 'about 400' added to 157 = 557, and the drop to 157 = a % difference between the 2 figures of 71.813285%.
by butchersapron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:44 am
3) Kirklees, Dalton ward
Labour McBride, Peter Daniel 1397 Held
LIBDEM Liberal Democrat Munro, Alison Louise 1155
CON Conservative Leonard, Martin James 605
BNP British National Party Wright, Jonathan David Baxter 157
GRN Green Hargreaves, David William 103
IND Independent Walder, Colin Anthony 34
Bad result for them, down abiout 400 votes, drop in turnout but still bad.
Attica writes -
For the observant among you - you may want to know the % drop in BNP vote - here it is;
71.813285%
That is the % collapse of the irrelevant, lost and never coming back in one of their so-called 'growth areas'
PS - % calculated on the stats in front of me/you. 'about 400' added to 157 = 557, and the drop to 157 = a % difference between the 2 figures of 71.813285%.
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