Griffin and BNP strategy
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The Black Hand
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He never spotted it tho.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
There's obviously much you've "never spotted".
The Black Hand
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Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
As my last tagline on MATB said - I see everything
But you don't, do you. Far from it. £.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Au contraire I do
I know what leftism, Marxism and political theory are, i know what fascism is, and I have helped to construct the area of autonomy perspective of anti fascism. Different to existing old stylee leftist anti fascisms, but all the better for it. It is a perspective for these new times; open your mind, try it a bit, it may help you swim rather than flap wildly in the water.I have to say I think geoff64 completely nailed it.
The problem for the anti-BNP groups is that the BNP keep being given propaganda tools to work with. Only cutting off the supply by solving the problems they manipulate will have any effect on them whatsoever.
Rather than bickering over minutiae time would be better invested in putting together a cohesive effort on policy, with community projects on the ground for visibility. It's a long term grind, but it's the only possible course.
The problem for the anti-BNP groups is that the BNP keep being given propaganda tools to work with. Only cutting off the supply by solving the problems they manipulate will have any effect on them whatsoever.
Rather than bickering over minutiae time would be better invested in putting together a cohesive effort on policy, with community projects on the ground for visibility. It's a long term grind, but it's the only possible course.
A lot of that Hackney Independent stuff is spot on. It's so depressing to see people on these boards and the Socialist Worker slogans etc wittering on about 'Nazis' when it's a criticism of the BNP which doesn't really chime with the reasons people cast their votes for them.
tbh, I don't trust any solution which involves the likes of Searchlight (given their highly questionable record of state inspired manipulation) or the TUC (given that their default solution to everything is to vote Labour).
tbh, I don't trust any solution which involves the likes of Searchlight (given their highly questionable record of state inspired manipulation) or the TUC (given that their default solution to everything is to vote Labour).
The Black Hand
Unclean
UAF - a bit l8;
"Racists Don’t Represent London -
Protest Against BNP Fascist on London Assembly
Protest Against BNP fascist Richard Barnbrook’s presence on the London Assembly.
6pm, Tuesday 6th May 2008
City Hall (the GLA building), Queens Walk, London SE1
(nr Tower Bridge - see http://www. london. gov. uk/gla/locationmap. jsp)
Called by Love Music Hate Racism. Bring banners, whistles, horns, music - make some noise against racism and fascism, no Nazis on the GLA"
"Racists Don’t Represent London -
Protest Against BNP Fascist on London Assembly
Protest Against BNP fascist Richard Barnbrook’s presence on the London Assembly.
6pm, Tuesday 6th May 2008
City Hall (the GLA building), Queens Walk, London SE1
(nr Tower Bridge - see http://www. london. gov. uk/gla/locationmap. jsp)
Called by Love Music Hate Racism. Bring banners, whistles, horns, music - make some noise against racism and fascism, no Nazis on the GLA"
bang on there - A BIT LATE!!?
i had accused them of fire-fighting - this is just pissing in the wind ( and as we all know when you do that you just get wee-wee all over yr face...)
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
a lot of people here sure that the BNP are not fascist, neo-Nazis, so what are they then?
Joe Reilly
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The problem with your comments Joe is that I have never been opposed to a rational political response to fascism.
It's just that some on here seem to be suggesting anti-fascists should play down the BNP's leaderships fascist and nazi sympathies.
Sorry, no can do.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
how can I talk to people outside my own circles, I can only talk to people I come across and know. if you mean socialists etc, I meet and talk to them very rarely. it is mostly ordinary joe people I speak to. most of them accept, even some who vote for the BNP, that the BNP are fascist, so I cant understand why you politicals don't believe that the bnp is fascist.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
not in the slightest. it is plain to see that UAF, searchlight, etc anti-fascists are struggling to deal with things at the moment. but I just can't understand why I should be censored from calling the bnp what they are, fascists.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
how can I talk to people outside my own circles, I can only talk to people I come across and know. if you mean socialists etc, I meet and talk to them very rarely. it is mostly ordinary joe people I speak to. most of them accept, even some who vote for the BNP, that the BNP are fascist, so I cant understand why you politicals don't believe that the bnp is fascist.
Who said 'the BNP were not fascist?. The primary complaint (side-stepping for a moment the sleazy Trot logic/smear) is that they are expanding their operations and you are spunking fucks knows how much money helping them do it.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Is that the strategy then for the forseeable future - 'call the BNP fascists'?
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
its not just a matter of, no can do,it's illogical surely? virtually every church, political party, trade union, academic opposes the BNP because they are fascist. now either this is the biggest conspiracy in British political history, or they are indeed fascist. is something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck, and it is illogical to call it a monkey, horse, pitching, or anything else.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Read BNP policies and propaganda. Philosophically they are to a very 1930s fascist template.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No they're not - they have the exact opposite of the 30s style state worship and concentrate on de-centralisation, federalism and varieties of local democracy and so on, a modernised pan european neo-fascism with populist and libertarian overtones but with very little of old style 'totalitarianism'. But that's neither here nor there - we're talking about the efficacy as a tactic of calling them facists or nazis given that it doesn't work, and related tactics of 'exposing them' and so on.
edit: btw I spent a good part of last night reading their Rebuilding British Democracy manifesto - the most complete statement of their current thought.
audiotech
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Yeah, but they lie.
audiotech
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The Black Hand
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Give over - you have had circa 30 years at it - 15 years with the Ra illegitimate child iwca.
The area of autonomy perspective has only just been invented.
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