Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[phillm]

A comment on Conservative Home.

There seems to be a lot of denial in these posts.
Bottom line the slightest bit of common sense and decency would have been to visit the victims as well as the emergency serviices. Simple fact of life only one person gets to be first and lead the way.
TM is permantely on the back foot and gives the impression she does not like to be involved with people who may not be singing to her songsheet.
I do not like Corbyn, and he may have had an eye on an opportunity, but it was the right thing to do.
We need a leader who has some nous and common sense, accompanied by an ability to reach out to people. Mrs May is not that person, it needs sorting before the conferences and before anything else happens.
What a mess, fortunately she isn't running a brewery.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Can't catch the audio at the moment, but can imagine...

It's subtitled!

 

[SpookyFrank]

Akala has apparently told the SWP to fuck off in Kensington

I keep expecting there to be a day when Akala isn't 100% on point but that day just never comes.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Akala has apparently told the SWP to fuck off in Kensington

The fucking SWP & EDL should be fucked out of this, both are scum of the earth.

 

[Lord Camomile]

It's subtitled!

Aye, but that's just single speakers. Don't get the full aggro atmosphere

 

[tim]

I am not sure how clearer they can make it.

In the press conference around lunchtime today, when the copper announced the confirmed deaths had reached 30, he stated clearly they expected that to go up substantially, but wasn't able to say more until the search & recovery operation moved forward.

After the 1999 rail crash the initial official prediction was around 70 dead, the actual figure was 31. I assume it's better to do this carefully, respectfully and get it right.

BBC News | UK | Train crash: 70 feared dead

The St

 

[planetgeli]

Best. Rant. Ever.

 

[mather]

Lets get rid of May and swap her for Ishmail.

 

[phillm]

Lets get rid of May and swap her for Ishmail.

Jez we can.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Apologies if I missed this posted already. From around 1pm.



As expected.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I keep expecting there to be a day when Akala isn't 100% on point but that day just never comes.

I have nuff respect for Akala, he is always on point. Ishmahil too. I wonder if he'll be at speakers corner this Sunday. I might go, that's exactly how he is, it's not put on or fake in any way.

I really hope that some positive and effective action results from this tragedy.

 

[NoXion]

Would it be fair to say that this isn't going away soon? I hope that's the case considering the magnitude of this tragedy - no, this outrage - and the context in which it happened.

 

[Buckaroo]

The queen met Grenfell residents, the wailing and screaming in the background was unedifying and made for uncomfortable viewing. The ungrateful bastards should be shot.

 

[mather]

Would it be fair to say that this isn't going away soon? I hope that's the case considering the magnitude of this tragedy - no, this outrage - and the context in which it happened.

I think it has the potential to go the other way and explode. All my neighbours are talking about this and everyone is pissed (and that is an understatement).

 

[SpookyFrank]

Would it be fair to say that this isn't going away soon? I hope that's the case considering the magnitude of this tragedy - no, this outrage - and the context in which it happened.

Depends on what new level of fuckery is visited upon us next week I suppose.

 

[scifisam]

The queen met Grenfell residents, the wailing and screaming in the background was unedifying and made for uncomfortable viewing. The ungrateful bastards should be shot.

Not much point in shooting the Queen when she's already so old, is there?

Fucking inhumanity of that reporter smirking and laughing and apparently unaware that he's not the only one with a camera.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Apologies if I missed this posted already. From around 1pm.



As expected.

A complaint about political game playing that goes on to big up his record as mayor.

What an utter shit Johnson is.

 

[redsquirrel]

Extremely thick and nasty Tory Solihull councillor Ken Hawkins compared protests to a lynch mob. Such contempt for people that it even overcomes their self-interest.


And this prick is responsible for housing.

 

[Humberto]

Boris is misleading there according to a reply by one Richard Paice.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The queen met Grenfell residents

I'm no fan of the monarchy, but the queen had no reason to go there, she can't assist in any way. She's also in her 90's and going there and meeting those affected is hard on anyone.

Yet she went cos she understands that by doing so some people may feel some comfort knowing that their overlords care for them.

Contrast Mayhem who actually can do everything to help and yet has done nothing. Perhaps she thought last week's performance was not enough to guarantee her place in history?

 

[brogdale]

Extremely thick and nasty Tory Solihull councillor Ken Hawkins compared protests to a lynch mob. Such contempt for people that it even overcomes their self-interest.


And this prick is responsible for housing.

You'd think that people with this sort of stuff publicly available would think twice before venting their racist bile on the internet. But hey ho...

 

[Lurdan]

A sort of turbo-charged yuppiedom concerned only with prettifying the surface of wicked negligence.

Guardian columnist

Nicely put, even with all due allowances for the source.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a program to hand out smoke detectors? We have a program where you can go to any fire station and ask for a smoke detector. Elderly folks can request a fire-audit and some firemen will show up and put up smoke detectors for them. I know its not a replacement for building-wide detectors and sprinkler systems, but it would be a patch on a bad system.

 

[Orang Utan]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a program to hand out smoke detectors? We have a program where you can go to any fire station and ask for a smoke detector. Elderly folks can request a fire-audit and some firemen will show up and put up smoke detectors for them. I know its not a replacement for building-wide detectors and sprinkler systems, but it would be a patch on a bad system.

Yes, that's how it is here, too.

 

[J Ed]

Guardian columnist

Nicely put, even with all due allowances for the source.

She is busy slagging off Clive Lewis on twitter at the moment.



Scumbag lib aristo.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yes, that's how it is here, too.

Thanks.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there a program to hand out smoke detectors? We have a program where you can go to any fire station and ask for a smoke detector. Elderly folks can request a fire-audit and some firemen will show up and put up smoke detectors for them. I know its not a replacement for building-wide detectors and sprinkler systems, but it would be a patch on a bad system.

Yes, kind of, not full on or full time, but nuff events when smoke and carbon monoxide detectors are doled out. Should be a red line building regulation for both imo.

 

[Lurdan]

She is busy slagging off Clive Lewis on twitter at the moment.



Scumbag lib aristo.

If a bourgeois comes up with a good line I'm not too proud to expropriate it.

 

[Gramsci]

I live in London. Haven't been able to look at all of this thread. So may be repeating other posters.

I looked at C4 interview with a couple of local residents.

In the interview the local residents were bringing up issues of the big gap between rich and poor. The ethnic and social cleansing of London. With " regeneration" schemes being about that. This isn't directly to do with the fire. But I can understand why locals bring up these issues. Suddenly it on national news.


Thee have been comments from locals that the cladding was to prettify the tower blocks to make them look nicer to the well off. The cladding of old blocks is not for that. But that is how it's perceived.

Seems to me that the fire has meant that the poor in London suddenly find the media is asking there opinion on national TV. The kind of people who are usually ignored.

There is a lot of simmering anger out there about what has been happening to London.

This tragedy has focused it on a national platform.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yes, kind of, not full on or full time, but nuff events when smoke and carbon monoxide detectors are doled out. Should be a red line building regulation for both imo.

Yep. When I replaced my furnace last year an inspector came out and checked to make sure there were carbon monoxide detectors. They wouldn't have certified the furnace without one.