Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

So I went to Westminster and the demo full of lefty vampires and went to Chelsea and caught up with cw.

 

[Who PhD]

Could this really be the beginning of the end for the bastards?

Feel a bit grimy saying that given the tenor of the situation, but if some good can come from such horror maybe the demise of these fuckers...

 

[ruffneck23]

Im going out to one tomorrow me thinks

 

[tim]

What are the odds he's the only person who'll do time over this?

An undisrupted spell of solitary, no doubt.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Context is everything. Depends where he posted them and what the intent was.

He posted them on Facebook because - by his account, but not disputed by prosecutors - the body had been left unattended outside his flat for a considerable length of time and he had

tried to find someone to come and help but "there was not one else in sight" and took the photos to "show how the victim was being treated" and get someone's attention.

She said: "He was not someone that has gone to the scene to look at what's going on in some macabre way."

Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook

For this foolish, distasteful, wrong action, but not one seemingly done with malice or dishonest intent, he's been banged up for three months.

What's the betting he's the only person who gets gaoled in connection with Grenfell Tower?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yer man who got prosecuted opened body bags and took photos, it seems, then didn't take them down when viewers were disgusted by them. Not surprised they nicked him for that.

That explains it, if true, hope he has a hard 3-months, cunt.

 

[tim]

Ken Clarke getting the thumbs up from the bench opposite.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm tempted to go to the protest but worried it won't be safe. I don't really want to go on my own either.

 

[Who PhD]

Austerity must really be over if we can find five million for Grenfell. After all we can't pay public sector workers or benefits.

 

[mauvais]

He posted them on Facebook because - by his account, but not disputed by prosecutors - the body had been left unattended outside his flat for a considerable length of time and he had



Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook

For this foolish, distasteful, wrong action, but not one seemingly done with malice or dishonest intent, he's been banged up for three months.

What's the betting he's the only person who gets gaoled in connection with Grenfell Tower?

Quick and easy to prosecute him though isn't it, less so anyone else. Little sympathy here - totally the wrong thing to do and, given the circumstances, very high potential for the victim's family to learn of it outside of controlled channels. Obviously I don't know what his intention really was but very much not something to be encouraged.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Best view I've seen of May actually bolting for the car.

Can't catch the audio at the moment, but can imagine...

 

[J Ed]

He posted them on Facebook because - by his account, but not disputed by prosecutors - the body had been left unattended outside his flat for a considerable length of time and he had



Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook

For this foolish, distasteful, wrong action, but not one seemingly done with malice or dishonest intent, he's been banged up for three months.

What's the betting he's the only person who gets gaoled in connection with Grenfell Tower?

It looks like an attempt by the state to cover up the more visceral details of the fire, doesn't it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Best view I've seen of May actually bolting for the car.

Can't catch the audio at the moment, but can imagine...

Fucking angel of death that woman

 

[cupid_stunt]

It looks like an attempt by the state to cover up the more visceral details of the fire, doesn't it?

No.

The fuckwit unzipped a body bag & took close-up pictures & video of the victim, and posted them online, sick bastard.

His excuse is he thought it was out of order the body was unattended, FFS the services were somewhat busy trying to save lives.

Besides if that was his problem, just take pictures of the body-bag, not unzip it, the man is sick.

 

[planetgeli]

It looks like an attempt by the state to cover up the more visceral details of the fire, doesn't it?

Yes.

Within 48 hours of 9/11 (well within) we were being told 10000 people had died. The actual figure was just short of 3000. There has to be something going on here where, 48 hours later, we are still being told 17/30 people have died. This is not only offensive to the people waiting to here something about lost loved ones but surely some sort of deliberate cover up in an attempt to manage the fallout from this tragedy.

If you don't want riots, don't fucking lie to people and make them feel their lives are worth less/worthless compared to those of dead bankers.

 

[Who PhD]

Ken Clarke (the cuddly face of the tories, put forward for this show...coincedence?) has a shit attitude. He's very flippant.

 

[Pickman's model]

How can someone who has to flee an enraged people continue as Prime Minister?

Her ceaucescu moment

 

[Fez909]

 

[Orang Utan]

Her ceaucescu moment

It would be nice if her career ended the same way

 

[not a trot]

It would be nice if her career ended the same way

I'll gladly donate towards the cost of the bullets.

 

[agricola]

Yes.

Within 48 hours of 9/11 (well within) we were being told 10000 people had died. The actual figure was just short of 3000. There has to be something going on here where, 48 hours later, we are still being told 17/30 people have died. This is not only offensive to the people waiting to here something about lost loved ones but surely some sort of deliberate cover up in an attempt to manage the fallout from this tragedy.

If you don't want riots, don't fucking lie to people and make them feel their lives are worth less/worthless compared to those of dead bankers.

They aren't lying to people, but it should be explained a lot better than it has been.

They know at least 30 people are dead - but they suspect far more are (IIRC above 70 is the number being cited at the moment, probably based on the number of missing reported to Casualty Bureau who haven't yet been located), but they won't know until the building is thoroughly checked. Because of the horrific nature of this incident, that is going to take time.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Yes.

Within 48 hours of 9/11 (well within) we were being told 10000 people had died. The actual figure was just short of 3000. There has to be something going on here where, 48 hours later, we are still being told 17/30 people have died. This is not only offensive to the people waiting to here something about lost loved ones but surely some sort of deliberate cover up in an attempt to manage the fallout from this tragedy.

If you don't want riots, don't fucking lie to people and make them feel their lives are worth less/worthless compared to those of dead bankers.

Again though, how is this being so mismanaged. The blueprint is there from countless other disasters, why are they dropping the ball on every simple thing?

Sorry, broken record, I just really don't understand the mass-bungling.

 

[tim]

Yes.

Within 48 hours of 9/11 (well within) we were being told 10000 people had died. The actual figure was just short of 3000. There has to be something going on here where, 48 hours later, we are still being told 17/30 people have died. This is not only offensive to the people waiting to here something about lost loved ones but surely some sort of deliberate cover up in an attempt to manage the fallout from this tragedy.

If you don't want riots, don't fucking lie to people and make them feel their lives are worth less/worthless compared to those of dead bankers.

Yes, but as you point out they got it wrong by ovestimating on 9/11.

I assume that the Fire Brigade and police just don't know and don't want to guess. I also assume that counting bodies in a large unstable burnt out building is neither easy nor safe.

The real issue is not the exact body count but the way in which the state left people living in this and an unknown number of death traps; and its failure to support the survivors.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Real talk. Akala also lives in that area and has been vocal...

 

[planetgeli]

Yes, but as you point out they got it wrong by ovestimating on 9/11.

But they didn't simply 'overestimate' the death toll in 9/11 did they? It was a deliberate politicized number broadcast to whip up support for retaliation. It was political. So what makes you think this is any different, albeit in reverse? This tragedy is political in its nature. An attack on the working class, albeit through accidental means initially. Why wouldn't they want to manage the damage, massage the figures until anger subsides? Why else would they order an inquiry that will take years, rather than an inquest where the public would have a voice and the jury a say?

The body count is an issue. Along with, as you say, the death traps the working class are forced to live in. One Hyde Park is not a death trap. The Shard is not a death trap.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oh ye of little faith.

• Yesterday the Mail went big on the whole FIRST PICTURES OF MAN WHOSE FAULTY FRIDGE BURNED DOWN TOWER BLOCK
• On Newsnight last night Kensington & Chelsea council leader Nick Paget-Brown blamed residents for the lack of a sprinkler system

Dacre's patience has evaporated already, and so has that of his frothiest-mouthed readers.

 

[cupid_stunt]

They aren't lying to people, but it should be explained a lot better than it has been.

They know at least 30 people are dead - but they suspect far more are (IIRC above 70 is the number being cited at the moment, probably based on the number of missing reported to Casualty Bureau who haven't yet been located), but they won't know until the building is thoroughly checked. Because of the horrific nature of this incident, that is going to take time.

I am not sure how clearer they can make it.

In the press conference around lunchtime today, when the copper announced the confirmed deaths had reached 30, he stated clearly they expected that to go up substantially, but wasn't able to say more until the search & recovery operation moved forward.

 

[Buckaroo]

Ishmail speaks the truth. Vote Ishmail. Vote early. Vote often.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Phenomenal. Right down to the last line: 'I like you too, I like you fried, boiled, any which way you mainstream media motherfuckers'.

 

[JTG]

Akala has apparently told the SWP to fuck off in Kensington