Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[Dogsauce]

Scary shit, but frankly I've been expecting to see something like this for a long time having seen how some of these systems work, and also worked in buildings where it's clear that many trades don't give a toss about maintaining fire seals when running their cables etc. I remember one job where we were diligently putting the insulation back into the fire breaks around our cables only to look up and see an entire 1.2m wide roof to ceiling strip of fire sealing material missing completely - reported it but I bet it's still missing. I also see they've now exempted soil stacks from being in fire proof enclosures, because a 5 inch plastic soil stack / vent is completely fire proof by itself and in no way would simply burn and create a 5 inch diameter hole in any fire break.

There was a new build block up here in Leeds (private not social) where they had the gas supply running in plastic pipes on the building exterior.

(They did get prosecuted for it, but still)

 

[mather]

That did strike me as an odd reason not to fit them.

Because its a bullshit excuse.

 

[Buckaroo]

A note of caution to everyone, be mindful of what you say here or anywhere else. They will go crazy in the aftermath. Stay cool.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

What I saw of the crowd as May left church looked way milder than it could have been, but perhaps I dare say the Twitter dupes will bang on about how awful it is.

 

[belboid]

May on the BBC, just spouting her fucking soundbites and not answering the question. She has learned nothing.

 

[1%er]

Sounds like the police may be getting their excuses in early if they use heavy-handed policing.

According to the Globo reporter on the scene in Kensington , the police are claiming to the media they have intelligence that local gangs are intent on infiltrating the demonstrations to cause disorder

 

[Nine Bob Note]

She's concentrating on not blurting out 'strong and stable'

 

[Wilf]

May wont resign, at least not yet, she's as deluded as they come, she feels nothing.

Dangerous.

Hard to tell. She's not got Blair's ability to carry on after mass murder, but she'll give it a go. Actually, fuck knows where this will end up. I note she hasn't sacked that cunt barwell yet tho.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This could get shitty as it gets dark tonight. Another long hot weekend will not assist. May needs to roll out plan b to keep a lid on things tonight

Plan B. She's not got a plan A. I doubt she can spell 'plan'.

 

[Fingers]

Theresa May is way way way out of her depth....

 

[NoXion]

A note of caution to everyone, be mindful of what you say here or anywhere else. They will go crazy in the aftermath. Stay cool.

What are you talking about?

 

[free spirit]

you'd hope there would be a significant difference, but the evidence of the burning tower would seem to indicate not.

The more detailed design drawing is here.

Folded aluminium surrounds not upvc, which is better, but looks like they were padded out on battens so there would have been a gap behind them to the original wall, which should have been fire sealed but I bet wasn't.

But that's only the window sections, it looks like there was a window, then cladding panel, then window etc so the fire could have just jumped straight up behind the cladding if the intumescent strips didn't work fast enough (assuming they were actually fitted properly).

 

[SpookyFrank]

She's concentrating on not blurting out 'strong and stable'

Sadiq Khan on the news yesterday described the emerency service response as 'breathtaking' which is an extremely poor choice of words in the circumstances.

 

[1%er]

Sounds like the demonstration is now moving from the town-hall and the crowd is walking to Grenfell tower

 

[SpookyFrank]

What are you talking about?

Anyone thinking of getting out on the streets in protest tonight I assume. If the police decide to turn things ugly, they'll want scapegoats down the line and anyone who has been online talking up trouble might come to wish they hadn't.

With that in mind, please don't anyone go out and attack coppers or anyone else. Do however stand your ground, know your rights and take care of those around you.

 

[EastEnder]

May on the BBC, just spouting her fucking soundbites and not answering the question. She has learned nothing.

She is absolutely the worst, the most infuriating arsehole I've seen in a long time. I know it's standard practice for politicians to evade questions, duck issues & prevaricate ad infinitum, but she's in a league all of her own. I genuinely cannot stand to watch her being interviewed - I can't afford to replace my telly & the urge to throw things at it when she's on is too great. The degree to which she parrots prepared answers & overtly avoids the actual question is astonishing. She doesn't even pretend to answer the questions, she lacks the most basic politician's toolkit of abilities to seemingly answer a question whilst not actually doing so. It's as if she's holding up a big sign saying "I think the public are such enfeebled morons they won't notice I'm treating them with utter contempt". I fucking loathe the witch.

 

[ska invita]

What are you talking about?

Theres a history of the news and police looking through posts on here after riots / political street violence

 

[Plumdaff]

 

[SpookyFrank]

She is absolutely the worst, the most infuriating arsehole I've seen in a long time. I know it's standard practice for politicians to evade questions, duck issues & prevaricate ad infinitum, but she's in a league all of her own. I genuinely cannot stand to watch her being interviewed - I can't afford to replace my telly & the urge to throw things at it when she's on is too great. The degree to which she parrots prepared answers & overtly avoids the actual question is astonishing. She doesn't even pretend to answer the questions, she lacks the most basic politician's toolkit of abilities to seemingly answer a question whilst not actually doing so. It's as if she's holding up a big sign saying "I think the public are such enfeebled morons they won't notice I'm treating them with utter contempt". I fucking loathe the witch.

It's that visible contempt for being forced to explain herself, it can only come from a truly epic yet completely baseless sense of entitlement.

 

[1%er]

Sounds like there is now a demo outside Downing Street

 

[Lord Camomile]

For. Fuck's. Sake

 

[1%er]

Anyone track the EDL on social media? This is just being mentioned on the news, something about a counter demo on social media by the EDL

 

[YouSir]

Sounds like there is now a demo outside Downing Street

It just arrived there. Talk of moving on or joining up with others

 

[Wilf]

For. Fuck's. Sake

Dirty, dirty bastards. They'll take a fucking kicking.

 

[DaveCinzano]

FBU's Matt Wrack on the looped lessons will be learned empty platitudes:

At the Downing Street protest, Matt Wrack, general secretary of the Fire Brigade Union said fire standards had deteriorated because of years of cuts.

“I heard people saying we need to learn the lessons from Grenfell Tower. These are not new lessons. We learned these lessons 40 years ago and we have to ask why these lessons were not learned,”

Grenfell Tower fire: May announces £5m of payments to residents – latest

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

What I've seen so far is quite a bit milder than could have been realistically expected. But the elite and their social media drones might still speak to spin it, more outraged about some jostling and shouting than at scores of people needlessly burning and choking to death.

 

[YouSir]

FBU's Matt Wrack on the looped lessons will be learned empty platitudes:



Grenfell Tower fire: May announces £5m of payments to residents – latest

He's here too

 

[cantsin]

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

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[Wookey]

Downing Street protest is gathering momentum.