Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[crossthebreeze]

I would just add though that - while it does seem like dodgy goings on and this Ibrahim El-Nour may well be acting to further himself rather than the actual survivors, him calling Fathaya Alsanousi his aunt isn't that suspicious. I've got aunts that aren't, and in some cultures its most used as a term of respect and recognition.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Outrage as Islamist claims Grenfell Tower victims were 'murdered by Zionists' who fund Conservative Party

An Islamist activist has claimed the Grenfell Tower victims “were murdered” by Zionists who fund the Conservative party in an astonishing outburst now being investigated by police.

Nazim Ali, a director of the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC), is accused of exploiting the tragedy during an anti-Israel demonstration in the days after the fire.

The Metropolitan Police said it was now investigating allegations of anti-Semitic comments made during the protest.

Mr Ali, who is managing partner of a private health clinic in west London which charges patients up to £150 for a GP consultation , told the rally on June 18: “As we know in Grenfell, many innocents were murdered by Theresa May’s cronies, many of which are supporters of Zionist ideology.”

 

[Lurdan]

I would just add though that - while it does seem like dodgy goings on and this Ibrahim El-Nour may well be acting to further himself rather than the actual survivors, him calling Fathaya Alsanousi his aunt isn't that suspicious. I've got aunts that aren't, and in some cultures its most used as a term of respect and recognition.

Hard to judge what was going on with the inappropriately named 'Trust'.

This Ibrahim El-Nour seems to be the same age as the one, described in various news stories as a cafe owner active in efforts to exempt shisha cafes from the smoking ban, who was the founder of an Edgware Road Association for small businesses around 2003. He may have simply felt that he could contribute in some way by offering leadership. The community clearly didn't agree with him.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Two planes, three towers collapsed... maybe something else is the factor.

The first fully transparent, peer reviewed scientific investigation into the collapse of WTC7 is shortly going to conclude that there was zero chance it collapsed due to fire.

www.wtc7evaluation.org

I think it has already been made clear on other threads that this not a forum for 911ery.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No more posts on this subject full stop. (Please nobody reply to them either.)

 

[FridgeMagnet]

In fact I think it's best to just take all the 911 posts out.

 

[MAD-T-REX]

This is pretty pathetic.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Some further details about the bogus Grenfell Victims and Survivors Trust

Call to investigate rival Grenfell Tower support group - Sunday Times (Paywalled)

Spoiler: Text of story

The government taskforce set up to help survivors of the Grenfell Tower disaster is facing criticism after promoting a “suspicious” trust that acted as a rival to community activist groups.

Last month, the taskforce delivered flyers to survivors’ hotel rooms inviting them to a meeting to establish the “Grenfell Victims and Survivors Trust” (GVST), an “independent organisation” that would be “the recognised body that [takes] full OWNERSHIP of all current and future issues relating to the Victims and Survivors of Grenfell”.

According to the flyer, the meeting, held at the taskforce’s base at the Westway Centre on June 30, would have speakers including a retired police commander and the area Dean of Kensington, the Rev Mark O’Donoghue.

When residents arrived they became suspicious of the group’s founder, Ibrahim El-Nour, who claimed to be a relative of one of the deceased. Quizzed by people who lived in the block, El-Nour said his aunt was Fathaya Alsanousi, a 70-year-old resident on the 23rd floor, who died in the fire.

This weekend, El-Nour, 60, admitted he was not related to Alsanousi but knew her as a “matriarchal figure” who came from the same part of Sudan as he had. He said he had set up the group with the best intentions after talks with taskforce members and a government minister.

The retired police chief said he had agreed to attend because the involvement of the Grenfell Fire Response Team taskforce implied it was government-backed. He left when the meeting descended into chaos.

O’Donoghue said he had declined to speak at the event and suspected his name had been used to give it a “veneer of respectability”.

El-Nour left with a police escort and GVST’s Twitter feed disappeared soon afterwards. Residents have now called for police to investigate the trust.

One local volunteer who works with survivors said: “Some of the community groups have really struggled to get support from the authorities, but this trust appears out of nowhere and gets its flyers in every survivor’s hotel rooms and a meeting at the Westway.”

A spokesman for the taskforce said:“The Grenfell Response Team offered support to a number of groups who were helping local people [including] providing space for meetings and help with distributing leaflets. This support was provided on the same basis to all organisations.”

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A little feedback/response to this fake trust/article in a group I am in.

Zerina Anirez Yup. Wasted mine time and the time of several residents who turned up at Westway two Fridays ago only find out it was just some charlatan. He was eventually carted away by police.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[Jan Glepop]

I know, Rutita1! What a bunch of chavs :-(

 

[fishfinger]

I know, Rutita1! What a bunch of chavs :-(

Fuck off

 

[Treacle Toes]

I know, Rutita1! What a bunch of chavs :-(

Erm a bunch of what? Fuck off!

 

[Treacle Toes]

I reported your post btw Jan Glepop because if that is your opening gambit there will be no joy, ever. Best we deal with your inadequacies in perception and trolling ability now yeah?

 

[Jan Glepop]

I think an ex-judge is just what's needed here. Someone who understands the law

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think an ex-judge is just what's needed here. Someone who understands the law

Yep... You are just saying what everyone is thinking. Apart from all of us who aren't thinking like you that is.

 

[Jan Glepop]

Yep... You are just saying what everyone is thinking. Apart from all of us who aren't thinking like you that is.

Who cares whether I'm saying what you're (collectively) thinking? I'm saying what I think. Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Martyr.

 

[Jan Glepop]

Martyr.

Fartyr. Sistyr. Brotyr.

You'd do well not to generalise.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

fuck off, twat

 

[Jan Glepop]

fuck off, twat

Is this the legendary "urban welcome"?

 

[xenon]

Ninja, hm.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ninja, hm.

Boring, still.

 

[Jan Glepop]

Boring, still.

You people. Y'all call twats on anyone who disagrees with you. Like a baby.

 

[Treacle Toes]

You people. Y'all call twats on anyone who disagrees with you. Like a baby.

 

[Wilf]

You people. Y'all call twats on anyone who disagrees with you. Like a baby.

And when in your 24 hours on this board did you reach that conclusion?

 

[Jan Glepop]

And when in your 24 hours on this board did you reach that conclusion?

Very early on. Within the first hour.

 

[Wilf]

Very early on. Within the first hour.

Ah, right, must have also been when you heard about the 'legendary urban welcome'.

 

[editor]

You people. Y'all call twats on anyone who disagrees with you. Like a baby.

Bye.

 

[Lurdan]

Grenfell fire: Police say 255 people survived the blaze - BBC News

The Metropolitan Police believe there were around 255 survivors from last's month fire at Grenfell Tower in London.

Police say "extensive investigations" led them to conclude 350 people should have been in the Kensington tower block on the night of the blaze on 14 June.

That night, 14 residents were not in the building, leaving at least 80 people dead or missing, the Met said.

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In the update on Monday, police said 32 bodies had been formally identified by the coroner.

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But Scotland Yard believes that about 10 people escaped the fire and are unwilling to come forward.

Grenfell Tower death toll will remain at about 80, police believe - Guardian

The number of people who died in the Grenfell Tower fire will remain at about 80, police believe.

Police said they were starting from the point that the 80 deaths resulted potentially from manslaughter. Assistant commissioner Martin Hewitt said: “This fire should not have happened and as a result of that fire a large number of people have lost their lives.”

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Police said a total of 73 people had been reported missing. Of these, experts have been able to positively identify 32 victims. But so great was the inferno that raged at 1000C that 41 people have not been identified so far.

It is understood that families have been told that the remains of their loved ones were so badly damaged by fire that they it will not be possible to return them.

Tonnes of debris often in tiny pieces are being gone through by hand to detect anything that may be human. Some of it is being passed through a sieve so as not to miss anything and dogs trained to sniff human remains are being used.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I thought it was going to take until the end of the year to search properly? Yet now it's a case of 'job done' in one month?