Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

Maybe we should have a scale and a currency in terms of payments to make things go away. So, given that we've just handed the DUP £1,000,000,000, henceforth small scale payments of say £500,000,000 should be classed as Half a Creationist.

3 counties

 

[Pickman's model]

Who gave their children amazing names.

Rock Basil Hugo Feilding Mellen

Cosmo Birdie Feilding Mellen

Only in the aristocracy...

ffucking fielding melon

 

[ddraig]

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[editor]

I'll post this up on Buzz in the morning.

 

[teqniq]

Meanwhile...

Anger sparked after Grenfell Tower fundraiser is axed following venue's objection to bashment music - NME

Stormzy was among the high-profile names to slam Shoreditch's Trapeze Bar for their decision to cancel the charity event

The postponement of a fundraiser to benefit the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire has attracted widespread criticism after the venue claimed that the event’s offer of bashment music would attract a “poor quality demographic.”...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yeah we love charity fundraisers but too many black faces...no thanks.

 

[editor]

Meanwhile...

Anger sparked after Grenfell Tower fundraiser is axed following venue's objection to bashment music - NME

What a shitty scummy bar.

 

[Treacle Toes]

What a shitty scummy bar.

You mean RACIST too right?

 

[teqniq]

What a shitty scummy bar.

Not for much longer one would hope.

 

[shaman75]

 

[Treacle Toes]

I know this is at the morbid end of the scale in terms of the monitoring of this but I feel like I need to/want to.

Grenfell Tower victim Isaac Paulos, 5, choked to death on fire fumes

The coroner overseeing formal investigations into the causes of death for each of the Grenfell Tower fire victims has spoken of the almost indescribable complexity of identifying them as scepticism about the official death toll grows.

The Westminster coroner, Dr Fiona Wilcox, said the removal of bodies and formal identification would continue to be hampered by how dangerous the Kensington tower block has become since the blaze.

Really important to remember obviously.

Opening the inquest into five-year-old Isaac Paulos, one of the 18 people identified so far, she said: “It can’t really be explained in enough detail how complex an investigation this is in terms of identification and in terms of recovery of bodies on a dangerous site that my team are not allowed to enter because the building is being shored up.”

Paulos, one of the youngest of the victims so far, lived with his family on the 18th floor and was found on the 13th floor, Wilcox said. He was identified by dental records and his preliminary cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.

He made it down to the 13th floor this lad and whomever he was with. The smoke was travelling upwards though.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The other three victims whose inquests were opened included artist Khadija Saye, 24.

The artist, hailed as a "wonderful young woman" by Tottenham MP David Lammy, was due to appear on a BBC documentary about her work, which was on show in Venice as part of a collection on the theme of diaspora.

The inquest heard Miss Saye, also known as Ya-Haddy Sisi Saye, was found in a hallway on the ninth floor, 11 floors below her 20th floor home.

The inquest of her mother, Mary Ajaoi Augustus Mendy, was also opened. The body of Ms Mendy, 54, also known as Sissy Mendy, was found on the 13th floor.

Her provisional cause of death was "fire fumes, pending further investigation", Mr Sword told the inquest.

She was also identified via dental records.

In a family statement released by Scotland Yard on Monday, Ms Mendy's sister Betty Jackson said: "My beloved sister, words can never describe the pain of losing you.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Thank you for sharing that Rutita1 , awful though it is to comprehend

 

[MikeMcc]

Mmm, my point wasn't about where the investigations led, but that the govt and a collusive media did their best to eke out the death-count in the days following those disasters.

I don't think there was any desire to eke out the count. But a definite desire to make sure that the figure they gave was absolutely backed up with evidence, Any attempt to 'guesstimate' would back-fire publically and none of them are willing to tolerate that. In this case the emergency services were taking great pains to only report confirmed evidence AND provide fairly good expectations that the figures would grow and to what extent. Don't blame them for revising those figures as they went along.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Grenfell Tower fire survivors demand say in public inquiry

Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire are demanding a say in the scope and setup of the inquiry into the disaster, including over the choice of the judge appointed to chair it.

Residents in the area acknowledge that such consultation would be unprecedented in such an public inquiry but say it is necessary to restore local trust in the authorities.

A group representing the Lancaster West Estate surrounding the tower, which includes some survivors of the disaster, has written to Theresa May to “demand that our voices are heard and fully included in the public inquiry”.

The letter welcomes the inquiry and the government’s apparent commitment to listen to residents’ concerns, but it says it should demonstrate this by consulting residents over the terms of reference of the inquiry and the choice of the chair, the counsel to the inquiry and composition of the advisory panel.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Counselling for the Grenfell firefighters is virtually non-existent due to cuts.
Fire Heroes Struggle with ‘Drastically Cut’ Counselling - Real Media - The News You Don't See

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Have we had this unmitigated cunt yet?

Count how many times he repeats himself.

 

[ddraig]

proper bluster and time wasting to avoid the point

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

proper bluster and time wasting to avoid the point

I can picture the training sessions yesterday afternoon, taxpayer-funded of course.

 

[iona]

Counselling for the Grenfell firefighters is virtually non-existent due to cuts.
Fire Heroes Struggle with ‘Drastically Cut’ Counselling - Real Media - The News You Don't See

The firefighters charity also offers a range of services for firefighters, including psychological support, if anyone would like to donate.

(Not that it's right of course, all the funding & services cut and left for charities to provide But I have friends who were at Grenfell and have accessed or will access the firefighters charity's support in future - passing on their request for donations feels like the least I can do in return)

 

[Treacle Toes]

London fire: Who are the victims? - BBC News

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The firefighters charity also offers a range of services for firefighters, including psychological support, if anyone would like to donate.

(Not that it's right of course, all the funding & services cut and left for charities to provide But I have friends who were at Grenfell and have accessed or will access the firefighters charity's support in future - passing on their request for donations feels like the least I can do in return)

As I understand it, a lot of people in the mental health field are offering services pro bono as well. I share your anger that this needs to be the case. It's exactly what that Big Society shit was about. "give us your taxes but we can't be arsed - you lot sort it out". Next thing you know, people are sleeping in parks after a brush with death which many of their neighbours didn't survive.

Still...at least there's going to be AN INQUIRY, and LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED within about 10 years. Some of them may even be applied within 20.

 

[squirrelp]

I don't think there was any desire to eke out the count. But a definite desire to make sure that the figure they gave was absolutely backed up with evidence, Any attempt to 'guesstimate' would back-fire publically and none of them are willing to tolerate that. In this case the emergency services were taking great pains to only report confirmed evidence AND provide fairly good expectations that the figures would grow and to what extent. Don't blame them for revising those figures as they went along.

But usually with cataclysmic events there are reports of estimated deaths, qualified as such. This event does seem to be an exception.

 

[agricola]

But usually with cataclysmic events there are reports of estimated deaths, qualified as such. This event does seem to be an exception.

It is, but that is largely because of the circumstances of this disaster. For a start, based on public statements one does get the impression that the TMO doesn't know how many people were actually living in that block on the night of the tragedy. Combine that with the intensity of the fire and its very easy to see why they are only giving estimates of the dead that they know about.

 

[squirrelp]

I think it is more to do with maintaining public order and preventing mass demonstrations outside Downing Street before the queen officially invites May to form a government.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it is more to do with maintaining public order and preventing mass demonstrations outside Downing Street before the queen officially invites May to form a government.

i don't think the government would care two hoots whether there were 'mass demonstrations outside downing street'

 

[squirrelp]

i don't think the government would care two hoots whether there were 'mass demonstrations outside downing street'

On the contrary, they care several hoots.

 

[Pickman's model]

On the contrary, they care several hoots.

yeh. that being the case, why is that of the many demonstrations which process along whitehall so very few of them actually achieve their objective? campaigns aren't won on demonstrations, squirrelp.

 

[Teaboy]

I don't think they have a clue how many people were in the block that night. Also it's clear that people are scared to come forward to the authorities for obvious reasons. If they were to start guessing then they could be out by a substantial figure which would make them look even worse.