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Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

Should she be sacked?

  • Yes she should

    Votes: 71 53.4%

  • No she should not

    Votes: 32 24.1%

  • Official warning

    Votes: 7 5.3%

  • Attention seeking option

    Votes: 23 17.3%
  • Total voters
    133
Blagsta said:
The discussion has been respectful IMO. I do understand how it may also be uncomfortable for some people. Is that a reason to not discuss things? How else do opinions get challenged without some uncomfortable discussion?
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I agree. I have no problem with discussion. That doesn't mean I can't say I find it terribly sad the way it goes, that I find some of those opinions frustrating or maddening. That I'm incredibly sad by some of the people I've seen expressing some of the views. And maybe this is where we will have to disagree, but to me a gentle tone of voice (or tone of writing, idk) isn't the same thing as someone being respectful. The lack of a proper bun fight doesn't mean what someone is saying isn't offensive - willfully so in at least one case on here. In my opinion. Of course.
 
Vintage Paw said:
I agree. I have no problem with discussion. That doesn't mean I can't say I find it terribly sad the way it goes, that I find some of those opinions frustrating or maddening. That I'm incredibly sad by some of the people I've seen expressing some of the views. And maybe this is where we will have to disagree, but to me a gentle tone of voice (or tone of writing, idk) isn't the same thing as someone being respectful. The lack of a proper bun fight doesn't mean what someone is saying isn't offensive - willfully so in at least one case on here. In my opinion. Of course.
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in the good auld days there'd have been at least one banning by this point.
 
AuntiStella regarding my use of the term identity confusion.

Not sure this is clearer even though it's taken me ages to think of another way of saying it. I was trying to convey something about some sense of conflict, as opposed to a sense of being happy with, that some cis people may feel with regards their gender identity. I didn't want to suggest that trans* was at one end of a continuum of uncertainty, although that is what I actually did end up implying.

But I'm going to leave it there for the moment. I feel that trying to be clearer is actually muddying things in an unhelpful way and there isn't a point that I want to make in any case.
 
Vintage Paw said:
I agree. I have no problem with discussion. That doesn't mean I can't say I find it terribly sad the way it goes, that I find some of those opinions frustrating or maddening. That I'm incredibly sad by some of the people I've seen expressing some of the views. And maybe this is where we will have to disagree, but to me a gentle tone of voice (or tone of writing, idk) isn't the same thing as someone being respectful. The lack of a proper bun fight doesn't mean what someone is saying isn't offensive - willfully so in at least one case on here. In my opinion. Of course.
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On twitter, on blogs and in printed media i have been told i am a misogynist man over and over. While most of it was polite i was still sent into a spiral of depression and anxiety - no discussion on trans can start constructively from the premise that a trans woman is really a man. Ive learnt now to talk to those who respect my identity and to ignore the minority who dont.
 
Red Cat said:
AuntiStella regarding my use of the term identity confusion.

Not sure this is clearer even though it's taken me ages to think of another way of saying it. I was trying to convey something about some sense of conflict, as opposed to a sense of being happy with, that some cis people may feel with regards their gender identity. I didn't want to suggest that trans* was at one end of a continuum of uncertainty, although that is what I actually did end up implying.

But I'm going to leave it there for the moment. I feel that trying to be clearer is actually muddying things in an unhelpful way and there isn't a point that I want to make in any case.
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Ok - sorry i cant help. It took me years to untangle my gender identity after 20 years of suppressing it so i know its far from straight forward. I cant define you as trans or cis or other - only you can do that.
 
AuntiStella said:
Ok - sorry i cant help. It took me years to untangle my gender identity after 20 years of suppressing it so i know its far from straight forward. I cant define you as trans or cis or other - only you can do that.
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Thanks, but I wasn't asking for your help! I was having a political discussion, not describing a personal issue I'm having difficulty with.
 
Red Cat said:
Thanks, but I wasn't asking for your help! I was having a political discussion, not describing a personal issue I'm having difficulty with.
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Ok - I have n fucking idea what you're on about then.

And I don't see how my gender identity is at all political.
 
Vintage Paw said:
I agree. I have no problem with discussion. That doesn't mean I can't say I find it terribly sad the way it goes, that I find some of those opinions frustrating or maddening. That I'm incredibly sad by some of the people I've seen expressing some of the views. And maybe this is where we will have to disagree, but to me a gentle tone of voice (or tone of writing, idk) isn't the same thing as someone being respectful. The lack of a proper bun fight doesn't mean what someone is saying isn't offensive - willfully so in at least one case on here. In my opinion. Of course.
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What is wrong with being offensive?
 
cesare said:
You need to hold that thought in case you do any more pro bono employment work e.g. Discrimination on the grounds of gender.
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I thought that we all had come to some sort of understanding that we wouldn't mention my pro bono work any further because some people found it so very tiresome.

But now that you have brought it up I think I am justified in stating that I am working on an employment harassment case right now.

In fact I will spend the rest of today and most of tomorrow on it. Hopeless case mind...
 
Diamond said:
I thought that we all had come to some sort of understanding that we wouldn't mention my pro bono work any further because some people found it so very tiresome.

But now that you have brought it up I think I am justified in stating that I am working on an employment harassment case right now.

In fact I will spend the rest of today and most of tomorrow on it. Hopeless case mind...
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If you're working on a harassment case right now I'm very surprised that you're asking what's wrong with offensiveness in this context - because if you don't understand how offensive comments on the grounds of one of the protected characteristics can create an environment that's demeaning and humiliating for the recipient, I doubt you're going to be much assistance to your client. On the other hand you may just have been trolling.
 
cesare said:
If you're working on a harassment case right now I'm very surprised that you're asking what's wrong with offensiveness in this context - because if you don't understand how offensive comments on the grounds of one of the protected characteristics can create an environment that's demeaning and humiliating for the recipient, I doubt you're going to be much assistance to your client. On the other hand you may just have been trolling.
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(((diamond's client))) :(
 
Diamond said:
Discrimination is very different from being offensive.

They are largely unrelated.
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As someone who has been on the receiving end of gender discrimination I beg to differ.

You have no right to be acting as an employment lawyer if you do not understand how the two are related.
 
cesare said:
If you're working on a harassment case right now I'm very surprised that you're asking what's wrong with offensiveness in this context - because if you don't understand how offensive comments on the grounds of one of the protected characteristics can create an environment that's demeaning and humiliating for the recipient, I doubt you're going to be much assistance to your client. On the other hand you may just have been trolling.
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Truly staggering pomposity
 
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