Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[Red Cat]

Can we not drag facebook stuff onto urban? They are different spaces. Some of us on here have chosen not to use facebook.

 

[killer b]

'one of our darkest moments'? Jesus.

 

[Belushi]

It's been a very interesting discussion, its really made me think.

 

[co-op]

If you have a problem with trans people and your special snowflake women's only space congratulations your now less progressive than the British Army that's got to be some sort of record
their are serving trans soldiers friday was sir Monday now addressed as M'am carry on.

I wonder if this is because the British Army is a post-gender, post-patriarchical institution or if they find that adopting elements of some versions of trans* ideology is surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists?

 

[cesare]

Hardly a comrade, given his behaviour on the Facebook thread.

I've got no idea about Facebook. If you have a problem with what he's posted there you should tell him there.

 

[cesare]

I wonder if this is because the British Army is a post-gender, post-patriarchical institution or if they find that adopting elements of some versions of trans* ideology is surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists?

Which elements of trans* ideology make it "surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists" to adopt?

 

[co-op]

I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise, considering for example the way some left-wing men can be when it comes to feminism.

And as for those left-wing women, man some of them, they're the worst.

 

[Blagsta]

I've got no idea about Facebook. If you have a problem with what he's posted there you should tell him there.

I have done.

 

[stethoscope]

I wonder if this is because the British Army is a post-gender, post-patriarchical institution or if they find that adopting elements of some versions of trans* ideology is surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists?

Fucking hell

 

[cesare]

Fucking hell

Innit

 

[kabbes]

I'm with cesare - this thread is the saddest I've read for a long time. It's opened my eyes to the things some people can believe while simultaneously being 'progressive' (thank you pickman's for teaching me fwoabt). I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise, considering for example the way some left-wing men can be when it comes to feminism. Why should it be any different for anything else?

I repeat my praise for Nigel's post. Any and all arguments around subversion/reinforcement of gender and gender roles (actually 2 different things) should end with a good read and understanding of that.

And I suppose all I can say is I'm sure all the trans* people who might potentially read this are really happy that a bunch of cis people have got together - yet again - to argue the toss about what existence they are allowed to live.

Bravo. One of your darkest moments, urban.

I'm sorry, but that's one of the darkest and saddest misreadings of a thread that I've read for a long time.

 

[likesfish]

I wonder if this is because the British Army is a post-gender, post-patriarchical institution or if they find that adopting elements of some versions of trans* ideology is surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists?

Or more that they go " hmmm well ok, can the soldier still do their job? Yes/no. if yes then carry one.
Britsh armys not really a thinking organisation so ideology is never going to be a problem.
Its a conservative organisation rather than reactionary it happily arrested gays and kicked them out long after it wasnt a problem in civvy street whwn the rules changed it turned out not to be a problem.
Although one soldiers attempt to make a big thing about coming out was rather brutally curtailled because,
" we know mate why the fuck do you think you were nicknamed NARNIA"

 

[co-op]

Which elements of trans* ideology make it "surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists" to adopt?

You meant "elements of some versions of trans* ideology", right?

Any version which simply takes existing gender roles and allows individuals to alter their own position in relations to those existing roles.

 

[Blagsta]

I'm with cesare - this thread is the saddest I've read for a long time. It's opened my eyes to the things some people can believe while simultaneously being 'progressive' (thank you pickman's for teaching me fwoabt). I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise, considering for example the way some left-wing men can be when it comes to feminism. Why should it be any different for anything else?

I repeat my praise for Nigel's post. Any and all arguments around subversion/reinforcement of gender and gender roles (actually 2 different things) should end with a good read and understanding of that.

And I suppose all I can say is I'm sure all the trans* people who might potentially read this are really happy that a bunch of cis people have got together - yet again - to argue the toss about what existence they are allowed to live.

Bravo. One of your darkest moments, urban.

This just looks like an attempt to shut down debate. This thread has been incredibly good natured I think, there's been a lot of intelligent discussion and lots of food for thought. We don't all approach subjects with well thought out views, there's a process involved. Discussions like this thread are part of the process.

 

[Pickman's model]

You meant "elements of some versions of trans* ideology", right?

Any version which simply takes existing gender roles and allows individuals to alter their own position in relations to those existing roles.

for the hard of thinking WHICH ELEMENTS, NOT WHICH VERSION

 

[cesare]

You meant "elements of some versions of trans* ideology", right?

Any version which simply takes existing gender roles and allows individuals to alter their own position in relations to those existing roles.

Wtf has that got to do with making a comparison to "[dedication]to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists"?

 

[Wilf]

I wonder if this is because the British Army is a post-gender, post-patriarchical institution or if they find that adopting elements of some versions of trans* ideology is surprisingly easy for a right-wing reactionary institution dedicated to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

 

[cesare]

This just looks like an attempt to shut down debate. This thread has been incredibly good natured I think, there's been a lot of intelligent discussion and lots of food for thought. We don't all approach subjects with well thought out views, there's a process involved. Discussions like this thread are part of the process.

It's been mainly polite which is not the same as good natured.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wtf has that got to do with making a comparison to "[dedication]to killing people on behalf of wealthy capitalists"?

co-op's omnipresent, and not in a good way

 

[Wilf]

Seriously co-op, I'd like to think that was some attempted clever comment that went wrong - please explain.

 

[Blagsta]

It's been mainly polite which is not the same as good natured.

True. Bad phrasing on my part.

 

[Pickman's model]

Seriously co-op, I'd like to think that was some attempted clever comment that went wrong - please explain.

be careful what you wish for...

 

[Citizen66]

But you appreciate that in the circumstances it's not likely that he'd come back to defend himself?

Awww, he'd have fun!

 

[brogdale]

a bunch of cis people have got together - yet again - to argue the toss about what existence they are allowed to live.

Bravo. One of your darkest moments, urban.

Utterly risible.

What you describe was actually a group of Urban posters, (of very differing levels of awareness, experience and consciousness) engaging in a discussion in which much was learnt.

Tool.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm with cesare - this thread is the saddest I've read for a long time. It's opened my eyes to the things some people can believe while simultaneously being 'progressive' (thank you pickman's for teaching me fwoabt). I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise, considering for example the way some left-wing men can be when it comes to feminism. Why should it be any different for anything else?

I repeat my praise for Nigel's post. Any and all arguments around subversion/reinforcement of gender and gender roles (actually 2 different things) should end with a good read and understanding of that.

And I suppose all I can say is I'm sure all the trans* people who might potentially read this are really happy that a bunch of cis people have got together - yet again - to argue the toss about what existence they are allowed to live.

Bravo. One of your darkest moments, urban.

So the answer is to shut down debate and condemn everyone for not being on the right page?

 

[Citizen66]

I've got no idea about Facebook. If you have a problem with what he's posted there you should tell him there.

This is ironic given the thread topic started on Twitter.

 

[cesare]

This is ironic given the thread topic started on Twitter.

Perhaps. But the over-riding point is that where ever it is that ***** is saying things that people don't agree with, they should address it to him there because it's unfair to do it here.

 

[Belushi]

Outing posters is always out of order, even if they no longer post here.

 

[Citizen66]

Perhaps. But the over-riding point is that where ever it is that Refused is saying things that people don't agree with, they should address it to him there because it's unfair to do it here.

Fair point. Although tbf it's you who is still discussing him.

 

[Blagsta]

Perhaps. But the over-riding point is that where ever it is that Refused is saying things that people don't agree with, they should address it to him there because it's unfair to do it here.

Personally, I think it's OK to mention that someone somewhere else is being an arse, if it's an argument that people from here are also involved in.

Outing someone publically is not ok.