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Starry Wisdom
yeh. well, your opinion of me is rather higher than my opinion of you.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That's pomposity for you I'm afraid.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I'm not suggesting we should consider brains in isolation. They exist in the world, so we should also look at the world. But your assertion below is untrue.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh i'm perfectly happy being a pompous arse iyo as it is rather better than being someone like you who can't express themselves sufficiently, and then says - with nary a quarter of an hour's interlude - that "everyone else" understood what they meant, when fuck all people have seen the pisspoor post in question. equally, i voiced no opinion of you as a person until you descended to ad hominem and rather dull insults. why not see if you can raise your game? it'd be fun to see you try anyway.
If you're using 'non trans' to say 'people who aren't trans', then people who aren't trans or cis are included within the 'non trans' bit. I'd imagine in most cases this would be ok wouldn't it? If you're discussing the particular challenges faced by trans people anyway. Of course people who're neither would have their own (possibly related) challenges, but they aren't excluded in this context - we just aren't talking about them.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, but there's a difference between having the term as part of your informed vocabulary and habitually adopting it as self-descriptor.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
yes there is i agree. It needs to be used when appropriate.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Non trans and trans allows for two main classes of gender identity and cis and trans allows for infinite. Also cis is shorter than non trans and less likely to lead to trans people being defined by their transness. I just don't understand why you'd want to use non-trans to say cis. Like saying non-gay to say straight. Weird!
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
So if your not trans or male or female what are you?
If the answer involves otherkin etc my response may include fire
firstly trans is not a gender. it is not like being male or female. It is how you relate to being male or female.
secondly, there are plenty of people who do not feel male or female: non-binary, gender fluid, gender queer, etc.
If you want to know more you'd be better off using google as I can't speak for those people, but i do respect their personal identity.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think that's right. Not that I'm suggesting that this is the case, but...there's always the danger of actually alienating less well-informed sections of society if the first they hear of a term is that it is being applied to them as a prefix descriptor. People who might well be positively disposed to equality etc. might be unsettled to be described by an antonym of the sub-set for whom consciousness-raising is important.
Well, in order to make yourself understood I suppose. I've never seen or heard the word 'cis' used outside of here and twittersectionalist blogs. I think most people would need me to explain what I meant before I could use it in conversation. Which - as we can see from this thread - could open a whole new can of worms...
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Is it?
joustmaster
offcumdun
stop derailing the thread
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Fair one rather confusing but makes some sense I'll put the matches away.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I'm quite happy to thrash these things out on Urban - elsewhere, I think it's easy to alienate and put people off by using what can be seen as jargon. Why spend half an hour explaining the nuance of an unfamiliar word to someone and have them probably think I'm some kind of uptight PC dick when I can just talk about 'people who aren't trans' and in 99.9% of cases be completely understood and inclusive?I find opening cans of worms to be very useful
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
Thanks for posting that. It's very moving and articulate. I wish you well, and I wish that you're treated with respect as the woman you are xx
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Can you C&P the column please? It let me read it!
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I've got explaining "cis" down to a fine art in conversation, but I admit it can come across the way you describe if not careful.
Thanks
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This is one of those rare threads where it seems like people are actually learning stuff. When you chip in with a sarcastic dictionary quote in response to a genuine question, that's the sort of thing that makes people not want to bother asking questions. If people don't ask questions they don't learn.
If you really think your contribution was helpful and appropriate then fair enough, but I think we both know you can do better.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
YOU asked a question. i answered factually, without sarcasm, without putting you down. yet you then decided to start putting ME down for a fucking crime which only exists in your head. now fuck off.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't even mind sarcastic bullshit posts tbh, I just prefer it when they're actually funny.
Nice one
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Why doesn't this surprise me. 2 years from defending witty (read: posh boy ironic) racist comments about black vaginas to this.
The privileged middle class will always know which side to fall back on.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. but yours so much more frequently funny peculiar than funny haha. as in this interchange, for example. afaic this correspondence now closed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the wrong one.
Why doesn't this surprise me. 2 years from defending witty (read: posh boy ironic) racist comments about black vaginas to this.
The privileged middle class will always know which side to fall back on.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh fuck off you sanctimonious twat
Cid
Proper break this time
There was an interesting article on the sex spectrum (as opposed to the gender spectrum) in nature not long ago (may be behind paywall). It's well worth a read and interesting in that it points out that gender identity is often formed around the age of 3 (in the context of the article after most people with disorders of sex development - DSDs - have been assigned a sex). It's not clear how DSDs relate to gender identity, I'd be hesitant to infer anything from that, but it is interesting food for thought in that context.
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