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sorry, don't have it, was trusting chilango's word
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I met an intersex person in March and we had exactly this conversation. He was born male but with some "disorders" that were operated on while he was a baby. He was brought up as male and then a little bit later the decision was taken to operate again to make him appear female and to put him through a female puberty. Now he has the appearance of a woman but is still anatomically male - and identifies as male. He now campaigns very successfully to stop such surgery on intersex children.
We compared experiences of gender identity and found there was a lot of common ground between us. It does seem that the gender dysphoria in intersex people is the same as in trans people and my intersex friend agreed that some trans people, maybe all, may well be on an intersex spectrum given that our scientific knowledge of this area is still so basic.
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Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Why doesn't this surprise me. 2 years from defending witty (read: posh boy ironic) racist comments about black vaginas to this.
The privileged middle class will always know which side to fall back on.
Some of the comments on there are unbelievable. Apparently anyone who doesn't support Bahar isn't left wing and everyone in the UK is racist. Student politics is really fucked up.
I've never studied chemistry, but "cis" also occurs in the usage "cisalpine Gaul" as opposed to "transalpine Gaul", and I've never studied history either, except at school, (and didn't even do "O" Grade), which suggests to me that really must be quite a well-known usage.
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Starry Wisdom
not behind a paywall here http://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jmsierra/documents/Ainsworth2015Nat.pdf
everyone except UKIP, who only object to mostly white eastern european immigration and therefore can't be racist
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
These idiots really live in a middle class bubble. No wonder the left is so fucked if these people are representative of young people thinking they're doing left wing politics.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
There's nothing on the libcom forums that I can see. Is it just twitter?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
the most significant act of racism I've seen in the last few years was a black guy screaming at a white family from somewhere in Eastern Europe to fuck off and that they'd destroyed this country etc. That's not to elevate one act of individual racism abovet structural racism, but to acknowledge that scarcity and hence competition for resources, amongst working class people, is part of the architecture of structural racism, it's not some mystical thing that white people do but a structural and exploitable component of class relations.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh right. Worse than twitter then.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
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Starry Wisdom
we're purgatory.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Except when the 501s are happening - and then we're limbo.
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Starry Wisdom
501s are jeans. you mean 502s.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yes, those
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Unfortunately, the prefix isn't often added in the media because binarism is the preferred default position of those in power. This has tended to mean that some of those that are aware of the distinctions are the very people suppressing those distinctions, which just makes the fight to naturalise (in a discursive sense) the prefixes more difficult.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
People should be defined by what they are, not what they're not - that can lead to all sorts of murderous shit.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
In general I think we should avoid adding new jargon terms unnecessarily. But your point about people who don't identify as either cis or trans is a good one. Although I wonder if cis and trans don't do the same thing. Don't they suggest a binary?why say non trans when we have cis?
also - non trans doesn't cut it - there are many different genders that do not identify as cis or trans. 'Non trans' denies their existence!
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as the late great tj hooker said, there is no black and white, there are a million shades of grey.
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crossthebreeze
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I think we need to be careful about being too firm on the idea that gender identity is fixed around the age of 3.
From what i've read, at the age of 3, children are usually aware of their body and begin to understand that they can't change their body at will.
And at that age children start to become very interested in the social rules that they observe around them, and often see these as hard rules (and of course, they will have noticed the strict binary gender roles being imposed on them and all around them).
However, I don't think its correct to say that children who can't fit themselves into this binary and find it too puzzling, or who think they belong on the other side to what is expected on them at age 3 will always identify in this way throughout childhood and adulthood, or that children who do identify themselves with their expected gender at age 3 won't change their minds sometime later. This doesn't ring true with my childhood experience or the experiences of some other people i've spoken to. People can be very confused about gender as children but later be happy to be just gender non-conforming; and some people who don't remember "knowing" they were different to what was expected of them at the age of 3 develop gender dysphoria at some later point and go on to transition.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Who on earth identifies with their gender, assigned or not, from birth?
Babies don't have a gender identity apart from the one stuck on them by observers.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
to be clear then for pedants - idenitfying with gender that was assigned from birth not identifying from birth with their assigned gender.
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