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[BigMoaner]

Cantsin how about when my daughter goes to the local school which is 30 percent white. You think it's "not the same" if black kids tell her they are gonna kill her because she is white?????

 

[Thora]

I certainly think the experience of being a transwoman is different to the experience of being born a woman.

 

[Pickman's model]

I certainly think the experience of being a transwoman is different to the experience of being born a woman.

the experience of being you is different to the experience of my mum.

but i would say that you're both women.

 

[Thora]

the experience of being you is different to the experience of my mum.

but i would say that you're both women.

Maybe you're right, women have nothing in common and the term "woman" is in fact completely meaningless.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Urban75 and twitter.

Killer b you and thora are the pretty much only ones talking sense here. I cant be arse to look through 10/11 pages of twitter spats tho.

TBH I didn't realise that it had evolved into a proper twitter spat. I have been out at work and not following the thread all day. Did think that tweet from SA was a bit wtf though, then I went and did important things

 

[dendrite]

Cantsin how about when my daughter goes to the local school which is 30 percent white. You think it's "not the same" if black kids tell her they are gonna kill her because she is white?????

Even with the appearance and actuality of being motivated by racial hatred, those particular death threats wouldn't be racist per se. We're petitioning the dictionary compilers to catch up with our helpful redefinition.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe you're right, women have nothing in common and the term "woman" is in fact completely meaningless.

i'm not saying it is meaningless, i just think you're drawing a meaningless distinction.

let me put it another way. some people are born deaf. other people become deaf for a range of reasons. would you say some were deaf and others weren't?

 

[Thora]

i'm not saying it is meaningless, i just think you're drawing a meaningless distinction.

let me put it another way. some people are born deaf. other people become deaf for a range of reasons. would you say some were deaf and others weren't?

No, I wouldn't. How about if I start wearing hearing aids, does that mean I'm deaf?

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I wouldn't. How about if I start wearing hearing aids, does that mean I'm deaf?

i don't think you've entirely grasped the concept of deaf.

 

[Thora]

i don't think you've entirely grasped the concept of deaf.

I'm identifying as deaf.

 

[Treacle Toes]

So i will send some of my black mates around to whisper in your ear that they are gonna kill all the whites and watch you shit yourself and larf. Wanker.

Hopefully any friend of yours that happens to be Black would say in response to your request, What? GTF!

 

[smokedout]

I'm identifying as deaf.

are you going to cut your ears off, or find some way to permanently block your hearing?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm identifying as deaf.

leaving that example to one side, why don't you believe that trans women are not a subset of 'women', which is what you seem to be saying?

 

[Pickman's model]

are you going to cut your ears off, or find some way to permanently block your hearing?

some people do set out to become deaf so they can belong.

 

[Nice one]

i'm not saying it is meaningless, i just think you're drawing a meaningless distinction.

let me put it another way. some people are born deaf. other people become deaf for a range of reasons. would you say some were deaf and others weren't?

Did you just draw a parallel between being a woman and having a physical disability?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm identifying as deaf.

You're starting to sound a lot like me from a few years ago, before I grew up a bit and decided not to pass judgement on those whose lives I am fundamentally ill-equipped to understand.

 

[BigMoaner]

Hopefully any friend of yours that happens to be Black would say in response to your request, What? GTF!

my point was that it doesn't matter about "history of imperialism" (like old numnuts was rattling on about) when someone is being racist toward you, especially if what they are saying is "kill all the whites"!!

 

[Thora]

are you going to cut your ears off, or find some way to permanently block your hearing?

Are you defining a woman as someone who has genitals that look like female genitals? What about transwomen who haven't had surgery?

 

[Thora]

You're starting to sound a lot like me from a few years ago, before I grew up a bit and decided not to pass judgement on those whose lives I am fundamentally ill-equipped to understand.

I'm not judging anyone.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Did you just draw a parallel between being a woman and having a physical disability?

Someone else did it first, Pickmans is just torturing the analogy to death.

 

[Pickman's model]

Did you just draw a parallel between being a woman and having a physical disability?

did i?

 

[smokedout]

Are you defining a woman as someone who has genitals that look like female genitals? What about transwomen who haven't had surgery?

they live as women and are women, aren't they?

 

[Thora]

leaving that example to one side, why don't you believe that trans women are not a subset of 'women', which is what you seem to be saying?

As I say, I haven't followed all the politics of this. But the basic argument seems to be that anyone can be a woman if they want to be, right?

 

[Thora]

they live as women and are women, aren't they?

What does "live as women" mean?

 

[Treacle Toes]

As I say, I haven't followed all the politics of this. But the basic argument seems to be that anyone can be a woman if they want to be, right?

As far as I can see, no, not at all.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm not judging anyone.

You seem to be implying that people who decide to identify as female should not be considered female. That's judging, you're saying a decision someone has made about their own life is wrong, or that there was no decision to make in the first place.

 

[Nice one]

Someone else did it first, Pickmans is just torturing the analogy to death.

It's an ill judged one

 

[smokedout]

What does "live as women" mean?

you tell me, you're the one defining who is allowed to be what gender

 

[SpookyFrank]

It's an ill judged one

I quite agree.

 

[Thora]

You seem to be implying that people who decide to identify as female should not be considered female. That's judging, you're saying a decision someone has made about their own life is wrong, or that there was no decision to make in the first place.

There can be no disagreement then over the definition of woman?