Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[BigTom]

Radical routes were horrified that I reported my rape and experience of fraud and abuse to the police,and they continue to support my rapist. They are also financially corrupt as hell, from what I saw when I was a member.

Sorry to burst your happy bubble

like I said, I only know radical routes vaguely, there's no happy bubble to burst, just saying that them only doing consultancy type stuff isn't suspicious at all. The things you experienced are clearly horrendous and mean I wouldn't want to be involved with them, but don't mean they are state. I've been shocked by how badly left groups in general handle rape/sexual abuse issues in the past few years, but that's also true of wider society, I don't think it needs police or security services involvement to make it happen.

 

[LDC]

FFS, one of the biggest indictment of the shitty-ness of the activist left is not the use of 'jazz hands' or the fact lots of people eat vegan food, but the fact that people that spout this kind of conspiracy shit get given more time than they should have.

 

[kingfisher]

OBVIOUS SPY IS OBVIOUS

 

[LDC]

Obviously mentally unwell poster is obvious. Go away.

 

[likesfish]

WTF.

Spooks turned up at ny mums house once because she did some agency work for General Dynamics, factory nurse or whatever you call it these days.
As she's a member of amnesty campaign against the arms trade etc etc.
when the spooks told her this shed thanked them for letting her know and wouldn't be going back .
As she hadn't realized it was an arms manufacturer.

 

[kingfisher]

yep, ask for evidence (which cant be described, or even imagined, ) - appeal to other spys to SHUT IT DOWN, resort to playing mental health card - thats how it goes.

 

[bimble]

Yesterday I thought this thread couldn't get much depressinger.
Or maybe I'm just sad because I never got recruited, even though I ate loads of that veggie stew and everything.

 

[kingfisher]

ha, we had one lad , from the north come in to the squat - obviously read up on the hippie vegan fascists. was all like just gonna go shoplifting - what you shoplifting - vegan stuff - cool , he was on the blts within a week, nice lad bit too much theory

 

[BigTom]

FFS, one of the biggest indictment of the shitty-ness of the activist left is not the use of 'jazz hands' or the fact lots of people eat vegan food, but the fact that people that spout this kind of conspiracy shit get given more time than they should have.

I was accused of being state, using delta mind control tricks etc, by right libertarian conspiraloons at occupy Birmingham. Laughable really, and was very much seen as being so. My main offence was to tell one of them to "fuck off, racist" when they posted up a link to the protocols on a fb group or page I think.

 

[kingfisher]

well theres your problem - OCCUPY - that was when it was down by the peace gardens? fuck that ohkrana secret service forgery

 

[BigTom]

well theres your problem - OCCUPY - that was when it was down by the peace gardens? fuck that ohkrana secret service forgery

Nah, when it was in Victoria Square before the onset of the Christmas market forced the move to the peace gardens.

 

[kingfisher]

well fuck conspiraloon stuff like that - although im not sure if the VIPaedos stuff is conspiracaloon stuff again now but for a while it wasnt, but before that it was, and i guess there is *something^ to be said for a plurality of voices on social media? at #olsx they had that sewn up pretty damn quick , seize the comms and the money innit

 

[LDC]

To engage with this more seriously for a moment... kingfisher I think there are proper political criticisms for some of what you bring up here, and I (and others) have similar concerns around some of the things you mention like the use of consensus and counter-cultural dominance in radical circles.

The problem I have is one where you've taken these criticisms and then made a massive and irrational leap of logic to then calling people State assets.

That is problematic on a number of levels, one of which is that you actually damage legitimate political critique of these things by making any and all criticism look bonkers.

 

[kingfisher]

ah proper, and legitimate,youv changed tack , its called throwing grenades , see what floats up, a rattling trees , see what falls down. OF COURSE - some interesting stuff popping up in the PMs. BUT if we are to treat the mi5 as a black box (its secret so we cant know, but your speculation based on observation just CANT be true it sounds too mad, they suuuurely wouldnt do that) - and are told explicitly that UNDERCOVER COPS, POLICE are the only ones subverting our protests (by COPS UCG PITCHFORD)-if you look at the rejects from pitchford, theres a bloke who had a NAMED EXPOSED MI5 agent in his group but still excluded because #spyspy rather than #spycop - even to the exclusion of the corporte spooks covered in lubbers - where are we? they are subverting the movements whether its thames house or the yard - the bit in undercover, NY meeting that was "start of the OWS protests" that mk attended - and their taking the mi5 at their word that they dont subvert uk domestic protests anymore. really, well they still employ journalists (from most papers) - and i doubt they create their online legends on their own. this forums alright, but its pretty lacking (like everywhere) on whats been going on post 2010 protest wise, its a pivot, phase out the green entryist cops, phase in the mi5 and corporates - student demos 2010 - the kids stuck with it and went to jail for the riots next year, and most of the wanker students went on to be twitter intersectionalistas and novara and huff post columnists(most of whom have me blocked for asking if they are agents LOL) and the biggest fear of this lot? your MI5 - its not terrorism, its whistleblowers? how long since shaylor? ages, were due some more... the problem is if we told the WHOLE truth, wed probably condemn a bunch of our friends as well, the raped by the state bit? you know those awful police having sex with activist women - well they solved that by providing every male copper with a female secret agent, thats the new pattern amongs the milleau, foreign or british. i know about this stuff, iv taken drugs with these people, and the lawyers? the ones on the bust cards, they know, because they aint shocked when you tell em , and the guardian? they bloody know. and its alright, knowing people are spys because if they are committing crimes then you can to, if they tell you a squat is a sure thing with a nod and a wink you know it is , and you know the cops aint gonna smash the door in immediately. messed up, drives you mad, but thats what happened to haw, he had some CRAZY ideas about the secret state. but we dont address that. nah

 

[alfajobrob]

Dude - just use a thing called paragraphs.

It will help you look slightly less deranged and make reading your posts a little easier. I doubt it will aid with the comprehension though.

Cheers

 

[LDC]

To give you some unsolicited for advice kingfisher...

I know you're convinced all this stuff is true at the moment (although in my experience people spouting this stuff do on one level know they're fixated on it because they're unwell and it's a symptom of their issues) but whether it is or isn't true, continuing to act in this way and post this type of stuff online is really not OK behavior, both for the people you're accusing without evidence, but also FOR YOU as amongst other damaging things it's reinforcing some weird dynamics that perpetuate your current mental state.

Seriously, get off the internet and go and sort yourself out a bit.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

ah proper, and legitimate,youv changed tack , its called throwing grenades , see what floats up, a rattling trees , see what falls down. OF COURSE - some interesting stuff popping up in the PMs. BUT if we are to treat the mi5 as a black box (its secret so we cant know, but your speculation based on observation just CANT be true it sounds too mad, they suuuurely wouldnt do that) - and are told explicitly that UNDERCOVER COPS, POLICE are the only ones subverting our protests (by COPS UCG PITCHFORD)-if you look at the rejects from pitchford, theres a bloke who had a NAMED EXPOSED MI5 agent in his group but still excluded because #spyspy rather than #spycop - even to the exclusion of the corporte spooks covered in lubbers - where are we? they are subverting the movements whether its thames house or the yard - the bit in undercover, NY meeting that was "start of the OWS protests" that mk attended - and their taking the mi5 at their word that they dont subvert uk domestic protests anymore. really, well they still employ journalists (from most papers) - and i doubt they create their online legends on their own. this forums alright, but its pretty lacking (like everywhere) on whats been going on post 2010 protest wise, its a pivot, phase out the green entryist cops, phase in the mi5 and corporates - student demos 2010 - the kids stuck with it and went to jail for the riots next year, and most of the wanker students went on to be twitter intersectionalistas and novara and huff post columnists(most of whom have me blocked for asking if they are agents LOL) and the biggest fear of this lot? your MI5 - its not terrorism, its whistleblowers? how long since shaylor? ages, were due some more... the problem is if we told the WHOLE truth, wed probably condemn a bunch of our friends as well, the raped by the state bit? you know those awful police having sex with activist women - well they solved that by providing every male copper with a female secret agent, thats the new pattern amongs the milleau, foreign or british. i know about this stuff, iv taken drugs with these people, and the lawyers? the ones on the bust cards, they know, because they aint shocked when you tell em , and the guardian? they bloody know. and its alright, knowing people are spys because if they are committing crimes then you can to, if they tell you a squat is a sure thing with a nod and a wink you know it is , and you know the cops aint gonna smash the door in immediately. messed up, drives you mad, but thats what happened to haw, he had some CRAZY ideas about the secret state. but we dont address that. nah

Do you want people to understand what you are posting and engage with it? If so please treat the other posters with a bit of respect and pay much more attention to how you present your opinions.

This relates to how it looks on the screen (e.g. try paragraphs and bullet points), your use of grammar to get your point across clearly, avoiding allusion (e.g. 'how long since shaylor) and supplying some supporting evidence (e.g. referenced sources of/links to information used).

Alternatively you could just carry on as you are; but I don't think that'll do this thread, or much more importantly you, much good.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[bimble]

To give you some unsolicited for advice kingfisher...

I know you're convinced all this stuff is true at the moment (although in my experience people spouting this stuff do on one level know they're fixated on it because they're unwell and it's a symptom of their issues) but whether it is or isn't true, continuing to act in this way and post this type of stuff online is really not OK behavior, both for the people you're accusing without evidence, but also FOR YOU as amongst other damaging things it's reinforcing some weird dynamics that perpetuate your current mental state.

Seriously, get off the internet and go and sort yourself out a bit.

Really good post that. I hope you can see it kingfisher .

yeah sorry lynne you look like a spook from where im sitting

I don't think he's a spook honestly, I think he's trying to be helpful. Maybe try giving it the benefit of the doubt.

 

[kingfisher]

CHEERS GUYS CAN YOU DELETE ALL THESE POSTS AND BAN ME PLEASE IM GOING TO GO GET SECTIONED ON SATURDAY, SHIT IN MY HAND AND SMEAR IT ON MI5 OR SOMETHING,

 

[Pickman's model]

CHEERS GUYS CAN YOU DELETE ALL THESE POSTS AND BAN ME PLEASE IM GOING TO GO GET SECTIONED ON SATURDAY, SHIT IN MY HAND AND SMEAR IT ON MI5 OR SOMETHING,

you'll get sectioned before that unless you do something about the caps lock.

 

[alfajobrob]

CHEERS GUYS CAN YOU DELETE ALL THESE POSTS AND BAN ME PLEASE IM GOING TO GO GET SECTIONED ON SATURDAY, SHIT IN MY HAND AND SMEAR IT ON MI5 OR SOMETHING,

Seriously take care of yourself. Call a friend or anyone you know.

 

[LDC]

Fuck knows what's going on here really, but anyway... good luck kingfisher, despite the somewhat brutal reception I hope things get sorted for you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Seriously take care of yourself. Call a friend or anyone you know.

he's asked the audience already

 

[alfajobrob]

you'll get sectioned before that unless you do something about the caps lock.

Sorry - but lol.

 

[smokedout]

Go for a long stroll around the area one day. Check out the surveillance kit on the approaches and nearby buildings. Check out the sightlines and defensible positions on the perimeter. People don't go there to protest because if they've got a strategic brain-cell in their head, it's fairly obvious that protesters would be wrapped up and kettled tout fucking suite.

The 2010 student protest that eventually kicked off at Millwall passed MI5. I got there late and ended up waiting outside there because I thought it might be interesting, things already seemed a bit lively and the building was open with people coming in and out and people stood around outside having a nose. As the march got close suddenly everyone went inside and these huge metal shutters came down simaltaneuosly locking down all the entrances to the building. it was well James Bond.

 

[Pickman's model]

The 2010 student protest that eventually kicked off at Millwall passed MI5. I got there late and ended up waiting outside there because I thought it might be interesting, things already seemed a bit lively and the building was open with people coming in and out and people stood around outside having a nose. As the march got close suddenly everyone went inside and these huge metal shutters came down simaltaneuosly locking down all the entrances to the building. it was well James Bond.

not the new den, but millbank

 

[kingfisher]

yeah its a piece of piss to get the shutters to come down

 

[bimble]

There's loads of jobs going at MI5 at the mo:
Recruitment Services - Jobs

 

[alfajobrob]

yeah its a piece of piss to get the shutters to come down

Oi - weren't you supposed to be doing something with you shitty hands?

Off you trot....

 

[kingfisher]

l;ove the go away your mental , do paragraphs, mock concern (no doubt sincere) - do you think the police have their own interception methods or do they farm it out to GCHQ? the struggle with having no encrypted way of communication is that people who will tell you quite interesting things in the noise of a rave, clam up when permanent records are likely to be kept. eh, come talk to me, im gonna do the brian haw thing outside mi5 - for kincora, ted heath, etc etc blacklisted people oh do a paragraph blah blah blah-