Fuck the Tory government

[Andrew Hertford]

no YOU'VE been wrong you auld gobshite, with your talk of it being a monument to women killed in the fight against fascism etc ad nauseam. if it wasn't you who graffitied it - and i have every suspicion it WAS you - then i feel, with other people, that it is likely the work of a provocateur, a feeling heightened by the lack of further graffiti on the monument.

Do you think none of the women commemorated by the memorial died fighting fascism? Do you still think that only 7 million women throughout the whole world worked during WW2??

Can't bring yourself to condemn the graffiti or admit you admire it either, can you?

Keep it up mate if only for entertainment's sake.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I wouldn't! Are you actually saying that he desecrated a war memorial because the poor bloke couldn't find anywhere else to spray 'Fuck the tories??

Yes, and I've been saying that for the last 4 pages.

That doesn't make any sense. Who hates atheists because they respect war memorials as much as they do places of worship?

A fucking war memorial is not the same as a place of worship, is your reverence for a conflict 70 years ago really as intrinsic part of your beliefs and lifestyle as a regular religious believer? Do you go there once or twice a week to praise God? Do you have a little community you hang around with at the memorial and say "well clearly this is the way to live my life, when I die I'll go down fighting the Hun"

Fucks sake if thats the case get your arse out of the sand and get a better hobby, live your life.

Your inflating your lack of faith and making false comparisons between two separate things, preaching from your high horse, thats why people hate (some) atheists.

Hell I am a fucking atheist and I think your being a dick.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you think none of the women commemorated by the memorial died fighting fascism? Do you still think that only 7 million women throughout the whole world worked during WW2??

Can't bring yourself to condemn the graffiti or admit you admire it either, can you?

Keep it up mate if only for entertainment's sake.

do you member some time ago you quoted the inscription sayin mote than 7 million? why do you so rradily forget the important word 'more'?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Yes, and I've been saying that for the last 4 pages.

Christ, that has to be the most pathetic argument for desecrating a war memorial I've ever heard!!

'I had no choice but to spray "fuck" on a war memorial cos everywhere else was fenced off!!'

....And you call me a dick.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

do you member some time ago you quoted the inscription sayin mote than 7 million? why do you so rradily forget the important word 'more'?

Hilarious. Are you pissed?

Why would a war memorial to hundreds of millions of women only refer to there being "More than 7 Million"?

 

[Pickman's model]

Hilarious. Are you pissed?

Why would a war memorial to hundreds of millions of women only refer to there being "More than 7 Million"?

i'm on a crap phone on a bumpy bus. but unlike you i've not been forced to alter my argument altho yours has had to shift several times and despite the tevision is still a chamberpot load of faeces. e2a for tevision read revision

 

[Andrew Hertford]

i'm on a crap phone on a bumpy bus. but unlike you i've not been forced to alter my argument altho yours has had to shift several times and despite the tevision is still a chamberpot load of faeces. e2a for tevision read revision

You don't have an argument son, except that 'over 7' means several hundred, so I think you are pissed.

From the National Heritage Fund Memorial website:

The National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) announced today an award of nearly £1million (£934,115) for the creation of a national memorial to honour over seven million service and civilian women who made such an important contribution to the war effort during World War II. The memorial, the first of its kind in the UK, will be placed on Whitehall near the Cenotaph, and is expected to be unveiled in June 2005.

There are already monuments to women from World War II in Canada, the United States of America, New Zealand and Australia but 60 years after the end of the War, the UK has yet to commemorate the role of UK women.

Stop avoiding the question: Do you condemn the memorial's desecration or not?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Christ, that has to be the most pathetic argument for desecrating a war memorial I've ever heard!!

'I had no choice but to spray "fuck" on a war memorial cos everywhere else was fenced off!!'

....And you call me a dick.

You can note on several occasions I've said it was a stupid thing to do, I'm merely explaining what was the likely reason behinf it.

Still not worth acting like its setting a mosque on fire or trampling on someones religious beliefs. Paint really does wash off, and in a riot people do daft things.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't have an argument son, except that 'over 7' means several hundred, so I think you are pissed.

From the National Heritage Fund Memorial website:

The National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) announced today an award of nearly £1million (£934,115) for the creation of a national memorial to honour over seven million service and civilian women who made such an important contribution to the war effort during World War II. The memorial, the first of its kind in the UK, will be placed on Whitehall near the Cenotaph, and is expected to be unveiled in June 2005.

There are already monuments to women from World War II in Canada, the United States of America, New Zealand and Australia but 60 years after the end of the War, the UK has yet to commemorate the role of UK women.

Stop avoiding the question: Do you condemn the memorial's desecration or not?

i wasn't aware it had been consecrated.

and while you might think you're clever for quoting from the nhmf website, the fact remains that the monument states - as it does - 'the women of world war 2' and not something else you might prefer it to say, which might be more apposite to the purpose for which it was conceived.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't have an argument son, except that 'over 7' means several hundred, so I think you are pissed.

From the National Heritage Fund Memorial website:

The National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) announced today an award of nearly £1million (£934,115) for the creation of a national memorial to honour over seven million service and civilian women who made such an important contribution to the war effort during World War II. The memorial, the first of its kind in the UK, will be placed on Whitehall near the Cenotaph, and is expected to be unveiled in June 2005.

There are already monuments to women from World War II in Canada, the United States of America, New Zealand and Australia but 60 years after the end of the War, the UK has yet to commemorate the role of UK women.

Stop avoiding the question: Do you condemn the memorial's desecration or not?

if anyone's pissed here, it's you. you remind me of nothing more than some poundshop pisshead bore who latches onto something he thinks is a good point with drunken determination and keeps a good hold of it throughout an argument heedless of the facts that his argument's holy.

 

[Santino]

Why is there no men's memorial?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

i wasn't aware it had been consecrated.

and while you might think you're clever for quoting from the nhmf website, the fact remains that the monument states - as it does - 'the women of world war 2' and not something else you might prefer it to say, which might be more apposite to the purpose for which it was conceived.

if anyone's pissed here, it's you. you remind me of nothing more than some poundshop pisshead bore who latches onto something he thinks is a good point with drunken determination and keeps a good hold of it throughout an argument heedless of the facts that his argument's holy.

Right, so the people who put up the monument don't know what it's actually for!

 

[Pickman's model]

Right, so the people who put up the monument don't know what it's actually for!

they made it perfectly clear on the monument.

 

[Spymaster]

It's a memorial to the women of the UK who served in WW2.

Now, what's the argument about???

 

[Artaxerxes]

It's a memorial to the women of the UK who served in WW2.

Now, what's the argument about???

Yer mam

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a memorial to the women of the UK who served in WW2.

Now, what's the argument about???

andrew hertford wants everyone to agree with him about something

 

[Spymaster]

Why is there no men's memorial?

That's all the others.

Except for the silly animal one.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

So I take it that plod have viewed the numerous CCTV footage available, & have arrested whoever vandalised the memorial then?

 

[Pickman's model]

So I take it that plod have viewed the numerous CCTV footage available, & have arrested whoever vandalised the memorial then?

i note andrew hertford's finally fallen silent.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

i note andrew hertford's finally fallen silent.

Apart from being a fucking bellend, Andrew's also an agent provocateur?

 

[Pickman's model]

Apart from being a fucking bellend, Andrew's also an agent provocateur?

and - even worse - a pub bore.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

and - even worse - a pub bore.

Warrants execution imo.

 

[Pickman's model]

Warrants execution imo.

we shall drown him in a tun of watney's red barrel. so he can be a final convert to the red revolution.

 

[brogdale]

So I take it that plod have viewed the numerous CCTV footage available, & have arrested whoever vandalised the memorial then?

So they say...but they would, wouldn't they?

Detectives are trawling hours of CCTV footage to track down a protester who sprayed “Fuck Tory scum” on the monument to the women of the second world war on Whitehall.

Ch Supt Gerry Campbell said: “The vast majority of those protesting did so peacefully. However a small, violent minority were intent on causing disorder.

“We have launched an investigation into criminal damage to the women in world war two memorial. This crime is particularly abhorrent considering we are celebrating the 70th anniversary of VE Day.

“I am appealing to anyone who witnessed the criminal damage taking place, or may have information regarding those involved, to contact police on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.”

 

[brogdale]

That's all the others.

Except for the silly animal one.

You mean this one defaced by 'vandals' with the same colour spray paint?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

You can note on several occasions I've said it was a stupid thing to do, I'm merely explaining what was the likely reason behinf it.

Still not worth acting like its setting a mosque on fire or trampling on someones religious beliefs. Paint really does wash off, and in a riot people do daft things.

Fair enough mate. My mum worked making Lancaster bombers right through the war, she lived near Manchester and the area where she lived got hit several times, particularly by a flying bomb which killed five of her neighbours. her boyfriend (my dad) was at Dunkirk and also fought at Monte Cassino. Her brother was a POW for much of the war and she lost a cousin who was a pilot. Both my mum and gran went through a lot,

I think women deserved to have their own memorial. All I expect from my fellow tory haters on here is condemnation of the twat who decided to spray graffiti on it rather than the half hearted excuses we've been getting.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

It's a memorial to the women of the UK who served in WW2.

Now, what's the argument about???

Thank you, it is indeed.

As the uniforms around it confirm, it's a memorial to all the UK women who worked for the war effort in the forces, hospitals, factories and farms.

Pi's Model seemed to think it commemorates women of the world, allied and otherwise, and got his knickers in a twist when I pointed out that he was wrong.

 

[Spymaster]

You mean this one defaced by 'vandals' with the same colour spray paint?

Aye.

 

[AC14]

It's interesting to watch this on the live feeds.

We live in a democracy (allegedly) not an elected dictatorship: it is perfectly proper and right that people robustly express their opinion about government policy. To put it bluntly, gaining 36% of the votes cast does not give any government any sort of mandate to screw us into poverty for the benefit of their rich friends and they should expect protest and resistance every step of the way. Also, fuck off you twat.

So who does have a mandate from this election? Tory + UKIP got over 50% of the vote. It's clear what people have voted for, much as you and I and urban75 don't like it.

 

[brogdale]

Aye.

"Cry havoc!..."