redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Dr Christmas do you see a difference between the uni/state/etc banning them and students/lecturers/the community ostracizing them or applying pressure in other ways?
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Dr. Christmas
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Yes, redsquirrel, I do.
Dr. Christmas
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meaning what?
that your arguments are all shite?
dickhead.
that your arguments are all shite?
dickhead.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I have no problem at all with that happening - there's a real gap between the state and its institutions doing it and students/teachers doing it off their own bat though.flypanam said:
(And when you moving to Wales?)
bolshiebhoy
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What are you on about? It was Idris who said if we managed to ban the nazis they'd be coming for Sinn Fein in Queens Uni next. Are they 'progressive' or not? Wasn't my strawman old chap. Do keep up.Dr. Christmas said:Hmmn.
I don't like my time being wasted by strawmen vendors (bogus introduction of concepts like 'academic freedom' and some nebulous '1960s Trotskyite persecution campaign', with the cherry on the cake being 'left/progressive speaker' banning-vice chancellors.)
Bollocks one and all, and adds little to what has been a sobering debate.
Oh, almost forgot-
Dr. Christmas
ca suffit
and it was you shitting on about academic freedom, non existent banning chancellors etc etc....
Dr. Christmas
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...which in practice won't happen, but yes, in an ideal world....
bolshiebhoy
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You really are a know-nothing. What is this if not a hymn to academic freedom:"i don't think anti-fascism is particularly well-served by calls to ban people from jobs or education for the beliefs they hold."?Dr. Christmas said:
Dr. Christmas
ca suffit
erm, better ask bristle-krs. Who isn't an academic.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Whats that got to do with academic freedom?bolshiebhoy said:
It's a comment that anti-fascism shouldn't be fought by calling for bans.
Dr. Christmas
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HST: much like their leader Nick griffin then who was isoalted and despised at cambridge as a student.
I have a feeling such tactics might serve as a vindication, to them, of their twisted beliefs, rather than as a challenge.
Anyway, with lecturers most now on short term deals, with students in massive debt trying to scrape a decent degree in order to pay it back, with library staff paid pitifully, and restaurant staff outsourced to private companies long since, the idea of a 1968 style 'mass action' is a non-starter.
which is obvious to all but the most deluded Trots on this thread.
I have a feeling such tactics might serve as a vindication, to them, of their twisted beliefs, rather than as a challenge.
Anyway, with lecturers most now on short term deals, with students in massive debt trying to scrape a decent degree in order to pay it back, with library staff paid pitifully, and restaurant staff outsourced to private companies long since, the idea of a 1968 style 'mass action' is a non-starter.
which is obvious to all but the most deluded Trots on this thread.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
bolshiebhoy said:
let's see, shall we... it has nothing to do with arguments to academic freedom. it has everything to do with you looking like tossers when you start appealing to the powers-that-be to legislate against people's beliefs (however wrong they are) rather than their actions.
thought crime, eh?
not only that, at butchers has pointed out, us lot would be next on the list.
then there's the very real point that it only drives more people into their fold.
simple enough for you?
Dr. Christmas
ca suffit
bolshiebhoy said:
self-knowledge is a wonderful thing, eh bolshiebhoy...
Dr. Christmas
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HST said:
by what?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
HST said:
there was never any doubt in my mind that he did; it was bolshieboy who seemed to be having the problems.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
none taken.
As an ex member of the BNP, I really don't see what the point is of banning them. If you tell me that I can't vote or listen to the BNP that is my immidiete concern. That is my imidiate right taken away.
Talking to me about racism would do no good. I would just say "I'm not a victim of racism, but some cunt is trying to stop me from listening to what the BNP have to say"
If most people in the SWP, believe that people in the BNP should be intimitated, hounded and boycotted for their beliefs, then fuck ya's. I hope the BNP spread the SWP membership details far and wide so they can be hounded, boycotted and shunned for their political beliefs.
Talking to me about racism would do no good. I would just say "I'm not a victim of racism, but some cunt is trying to stop me from listening to what the BNP have to say"
If most people in the SWP, believe that people in the BNP should be intimitated, hounded and boycotted for their beliefs, then fuck ya's. I hope the BNP spread the SWP membership details far and wide so they can be hounded, boycotted and shunned for their political beliefs.
bolshiebhoy
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Are you lot not the most useless tag team ever?bristle-krs said:
I notice with some quiet satisfaction that not one anarchist has bothered to challenge this middle of the road shite. Attack the swp till the face is blue but defend a basic position on why it is worth confronting fascism head on and why it doesn't just give them publicity...not a fecking chance.
bolshiebhoy
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You are personally the best argument against the liberals on here I've heard all night. Carry on mate.layabout said:
layabout said:
So Redwatch is okay then, is it? Since when did the Swappies have a monopoly on intimidating, hounding and boycotting their political opponents?
And why would a sensible discussion about the evils or racism and other bigotry do you no good?
And since you are so anti SWP members giving fascists a hard time, perhaps you would be even-handed enough to condemn those on the far right who have burned houses and cars belonging to ANL activists, graffiti on the homes of anti-fascist activists, threatening phone calls and obscene mail sent to their homes?
Perhaps you would be good enough to condemn Holocaust survivors being sent pictures of concentration camps with the words "Wish you were here" scrawled across them?
Besides, it isn't as though Swappies aren't hounded far and wide (often justifiably) by the tabloids and many posters on these boards, including me.
They aren't nearly as popular as they themselves would like to believe, but they do at least try to argue their point (misguided though they often are) in an intelligent and coherent manner. While I may not like their tactics and blind obedience to their leadership, I can at least have a decent argument with them about the issues at hand. And I respect them for arguing their points despite the level of opposition from posters on these boards, including myself.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
bolshieboy, are you on heavy medication?
what's 'radical' about calling for people to be kicked out of universities for having the 'wrong' opinions?
it's that attitude that drives working class people towards the likes of the bnp.
what's 'radical' about calling for people to be kicked out of universities for having the 'wrong' opinions?
it's that attitude that drives working class people towards the likes of the bnp.
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