fascist infiltration of the left

[blamblam]

Come on don't all go apeshit at her, this could be interesting...

So Diane I'm curious - I presume you're genuine about your politics? And would you call yourself a Nazi? I mean most BNP people wouldn't... Putting it simply - are you glad England + co won WW2?

If so, then what would be your problem with AFA? I'm sure you know that the BNP used to be an openly Nazi organisation, which was the case most of the time AFA (unrelated to the SWP) was fighting it.

Then again I dunno why I'm trying to be civil, cos you obviously know about mark collet being a complete dick (who seems to dislike black people cos most girls prefer them to him ), and about Griffin being in International Third Position and other fascist groups - not to mention him losing his eye chucking a bullet on a fire at a National Socialist gathering! And knowing this and still being in it you're probably another slightly-mental inadequate, where the only place you're socially accepted is in the BNP.

But y'know any loser can still make friends other ways - you could get a hobby, or join a choir or something, or get involved in Trekkie conventions or summat?

 

[cockneyrebel]

I know urbanrevolt from WP so it’s not joe or whoever you think it is! The BNP would maim and kill a serious amount of people if they got anywhere near power. What’s funny about saying that? And what’s funny about the posts?

I think UBs first post was because they couldn’t believe it would be true…..

 

[danno_at_work]

I know urbanrevolt from WP so it’s not joe or whoever you think it is! The BNP would maim and kill a serious amount of people if they got anywhere near power. What’s funny about saying that? And what’s funny about the posts?

I think UBs first post was because they couldn’t believe it would be true…..

apols

 

[Pickman's model]

i see "diane stoker" has deleted her posts. can it be she's gone?

 

[rednblack]

where the only place you're socially accepted is in the BNP.

er....and the swp?



oh yeah and remember the fash troll a few months back with the same ip address as levien????

 

[butchersapron]

I know urbanrevolt from WP so it’s not joe or whoever you think it is! The BNP would maim and kill a serious amount of people if they got anywhere near power. What’s funny about saying that? And what’s funny about the posts?

I think UBs first post was because they couldn’t believe it would be true…..

Claiming that the BNP murder people is what's funny - it's exactly the sort of hyperbole that these two succesfully parodied in their letters to the SWP. That's what got people twitching. And on this thread of all...

 

[redsquirrel]

oh yeah and remember the fash troll a few months back with the same ip address as levien????

Aye good point.

 

[Pickman's model]

oh yeah and remember the fash troll a few months back with the same ip address as levien????

i thought that that wasn't that hard to work out...

 

[rednblack]

i thought that that wasn't that hard to work out...

obviously it was for some of the more touchy on this thread!

 

[cockneyrebel]

Claiming that the BNP murder people is what's funny - it's exactly the sort of hyperbole that these two succesfully parodied in their letters to the SWP. That's what got people twitching. And on this thread of all...

I think it was badly put but there's nothing wrong with saying they would do that if they got any power. Look at Griffins "fists and boots" comments....

But I can assure you and rnb that urbanrevolt is in WP....there's no doubt on that one.....

Ashame Diane didn't reply....

 

[Pickman's model]

obviously it was for some of the more touchy on this thread!

namely levien?

 

[cockneyrebel]

oh yeah and remember the fash troll a few months back with the same ip address as levien

Didn't that raise any alarms at the time?

 

[rednblack]

But I can assure you and rnb that urbanrevolt is in WP....there's no doubt on that one.....

i'll take your word for it, but what were you saying earlier about political education?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it was badly put but there's nothing wrong with saying they would do that if they got any power. Look at Griffins "fists and boots" comments....

But I can assure you and rnb that urbanrevolt is in WP....there's no doubt on that one.....

Ashame Diane didn't reply....

i think she's scarpered.

 

[rednblack]

Didn't that raise any alarms at the time?

i seem to remember butchers and someone else tried but were shouted down by levien and solidarnosc all round really

 

[butchersapron]

I think it was badly put but there's nothing wrong with saying they would do that if they got any power. Look at Griffins "fists and boots" comments....

But I can assure you and rnb that urbanrevolt is in WP....there's no doubt on that one.....

Ashame Diane didn't reply....

But that's not what s/he said. That's the point. It's easily parodied hyperbole.

Fucking hell Griffins Fists and boots crack was from the political soldiers period 20 years back - have you not noticed a slight change of approach since then?

 

[rednblack]

looking at the photo, whats the bnp policy on gays and lesbians again?

 

[cockneyrebel]

I think the fact that the BNP “comedians” make jokes about the holocaust and the fact that they talk about white dreadlocked slags means people who go to their RWB festivals must be fairly aware of their politics. Also the overt racism/hatred that is always exposed in the documentaries is also a bit of a give away, or are they only like that when being investigated?!

I’m surprised they were so flippant about the IP address….

RnB you can’t judge someone on a couple of posts. Believe me URs political education is very good. But that was badly phrased……

 

[flimsier]

i seem to remember butchers and someone else tried but were shouted down by levien and solidarnosc all round really

the concern was that levien might himself be the fash troll. Then it was worked out that the IP address came from the uni.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about tracing the person in the uni.

 

[rednblack]

the concern was that levien might himself be the fash troll. Then it was worked out that the IP address came from the uni.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about tracing the person in the uni.

butchers tried but any attempt at delving deeper was shouted down, the marxism thread wasnt the place apperently

 

[flimsier]

i see "diane stoker" has deleted her posts. can it be she's gone?

She also deleted her 'it's not personal' part of the Manchester Met SWSS website.

Instructions?

 

[Pickman's model]

the concern was that levien might himself be the fash troll. Then it was worked out that the IP address came from the uni.

and that's supposed to make it better?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Using this as a way of attacking the SWP is low butchers. Esp when several posters here knew them personally.

I have to say, I don't think the legitimate feelings of betrayal of swpers on here who knew these scumbags should be allowed to stop legitimate questions. It is up for debate why this could happen. As it happens I don't agree with one of the victim's political response about open door policies. But I do think there is a case for asking what measures could have prevented these aresholes getting close to positions where they could see details of people (not just in the swp remember) who might therefore be at risk.

 

[butchersapron]

the concern was that levien might himself be the fash troll. Then it was worked out that the IP address came from the uni.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about tracing the person in the uni.

Why not? Get it?

Basic measures.

 

[rednblack]

while diane looks beefy enough to handle herself, if i was that lad i'd leave manc for a while...surely they aint going to stay

 

[cockneyrebel]

But that's not what s/he said. That's the point. It's easily parodied hyperbole.

Fucking hell Griffins Fists and boots crack was from the political soldiers period 20 years back - have you not noticed a slight change of approach since then?

I’ve said it was badly phrased, what more do you want me to say! I’m sure UB meant that they will kill and maim people given half the chance (well arguably they already maim people and their members definately have done)…..

As for the fists and boots comments, I think Griffin might have changed tactics, but I have no doubt he wouldn’t bring the boot boys out when needs be. The Nazis didn’t come to power saying they gas the Jews did they!

 

[butchersapron]

butchers tried but any attempt at delving deeper was shouted down, the marxism thread wasnt the place apperently

This is what i remember - in the end i just got fed up of being insulted for trying to bring peoples attention to something i considered quite serious and stopped posting on that thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

while diane looks beefy enough to handle herself, if i was that lad i'd leave manc for a while...surely they aint going to stay

i bet they're on holiday somewhere in wales at the moment. and term doesn't start for another six weeks...

 

[cockneyrebel]

I think they have been well used by the BNP and Griffin, not that that means they aren't racists or fascists. I don’t think they can realise the hatred there will be towards them….

Their student lives could well be an utter misery from now on……

I should imagine there are also plenty of people who will get physical….would be just as worried if I was them as any SWPer….if not more worried…..

 

[flimsier]

This is what i remember - in the end i just got fed up of being insulted for trying to bring peoples attention to something i considered quite serious and stopped posting on that thread.

The thread is still there. I just read it.

Your concern was that levien might be sid james.

When it was worked out that he wasn't, you said you were right to tell people to exercise caution about meeting up away from Marxism.

There was no suggestion of finding out who is was at the uni. You backed off from your concern, same as everyone else, as soon as it was revealed that sid james did not = levien.