Face masks

[LDC]

Well, that's not exactly great. Was the messaging a total shambles in France too?

Restrictions were very tight early on, and the messaging (from what friend says) was clear (but tbh I think for a while early on it was clear here as too) but more recently they've just been encouraged to get back to work etc., same as here now. I think there's resignation (among the government and some people) that a load more people are going to die, and the economy is floundering and we've just got to plough through it or things will collapse financially more generally.

I also think there is a bit of truth to the fact that many people will only follow them for a certain period of time before fatigue sets in, especially when for many the virus is something they haven't had any personal experience of.

 

[prunus]

Paywall article but you get the general idea

People who behave like selfish cunts more likely to be selfish cunts?

 

[LDC]

Some day, someone will write a research paper on the human psychology aspects of all this. And I think we will realise, notwithstanding all the perfectly logical "why don't people just do X?" arguments, that the psychology is non-trivial, and profoundly (if indirectly) affects the rate of transmission, through things like non-compliance with mask wearing, social distancing, etc. It's not so much people being dicks as people being people. The only conscious element, really, is from those people who are self-aware enough to realise the ways in which their psychology is playing out in this situation.

System 1 thinking! That was a holiday read, thanks for the recommendation btw! Helped me come to terms with much of humanity being irrational fools!

 

[8ball]

Restrictions were very tight early on, and the messaging (from what friend says) was clear (but tbh I think for a while early on it was clear here as too) but more recently they've just been encouraged to get back to work etc., same as here now. I think there's resignation (among the government and some people) that a load more people are going to die, and the economy is floundering and we've just got to plough through it or things will collapse financially more generally.

I also think there is a bit of truth to the fact that many people will only follow them for a certain period of time before fatigue sets in, especially when for many the virus is something they haven't had any personal experience of.

(that was a 'thanks for the thorough reply' like, not a "like" like, like)

Both counts sound about right to me. I think here in the UK, quite a few people were looking at the decline in cases a couple months back and assuming we'd be sorted by Christmas, either by general eradication or by a vaccine. Now it's looking like a much longer slog.

 

[8ball]

System 1 thinking! That was a holiday read, thanks for the recommendation btw! Helped me come to terms with much of humanity being irrational fools!

Kahnemann? Good book, that.

 

[LDC]

Kahnemann? Good book, that.

Yeah, was useful to read. Bit over long, could have been a good short pamphlet, but I think that about most books like that.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Think I might show this to our Facilities department at work. They have set ventilation at a legal minimum because people complain about draughts...

It's maddening, like me being instructed to inform enrollers they didn't have to wear masks because "some people are getting annoyed". Annoyed enough to potentially kill someone? For twenty minutes wearing a mask?

 

[8ball]

It's maddening, like me being instructed to inform enrollers they didn't have to wear masks because "some people are getting annoyed". Annoyed enough to potentially kill someone? For twenty minutes wearing a mask?

Is that because someone might get annoyed at you (ie. an anti-conflict thing)?
It's been a long-term thing at our office that people complain about draughts - I think it just hasn't occurred to our Facilities lot that they could ramp up the ventilation for safety reasons and there is more reason for people to put a jumper on and suck it up. Then again, they're trying to get people back into the office and there is quite a lot of reluctance...

 

[xenon]

Back home and mask wearing dropped noticeably in the last week. Not to mention a good percentage of people are wearing them incorrectly.

Really stunningly incomprehensible to me there's not been a public information broadcasting campaign about correct mask wearing and social distancing.

Well, yeah the messaging certainly could have been better. But the sort of *fuckwit who can't work out how to put a mask on is beyond reach. Presumably they tie their own shoelaces... There's a lot of stupid out there.

*obviously I'm not talking about people with learning difficulties who may need a bit of help.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It still amazes me the lack of mask wearing posters are commenting on, I was in the big Tesco this morning, only one person without a mask, and they didn't look very healthy TBH.

 

[Doodler]

Judging by current standards, it's remarkable how widespread blackout compliance was during the Blitz, given how many children and adults are scared of the dark.

 

[Doodler]

Well, yeah the messaging certainly could have been better. But the sort of *fuckwit who can't work out how to put a mask on is beyond reach. Presumably they tie their own shoelaces... There's a lot of stupid out there.

*obviously I'm not talking about people with learning difficulties who may need a bit of help.

Compliance might be more down to being nervous and conscientious (and conscientious types really have it in for the non-conscientious), and having empathy.

What sort of people are most likely to be reckless, into rule-breaking and at least slightly callous?

 

[8ball]

What sort of people are most likely to be reckless, into rule-breaking and at least slightly callous?

<raises hand tentatively>

Cyclists?

 

[Doodler]

<raises hand tentatively>

Cyclists?

Lycra teabags infusing death - a controversial view 8ball.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Judging by current standards, it's remarkable how widespread blackout compliance was during the Blitz, given how many children and adults are scared of the dark.

It was enforced, rigidly. Mask wearing ain’t. So far more people have died from Covid than Blitzkrieg. Probably.

 

[Doodler]

It was enforced, rigidly. Mask wearing ain’t. So far more people have died from Covid than Blitzkrieg. Probably.

Blitz casualties 32,000 (it says here) so you're right.

 

[nyxx]

I cycle everywhere & I’ve been wearing a cloth mask in shops & in any halfway crowded outdoor spaces since early April.

 

[Orang Utan]

I cycle everywhere & I’ve been wearing a cloth mask in shops & in any halfway crowded outdoor spaces since early April.

Me too, but also wear a mask on my bike

 

[nyxx]

Me too, but also wear a mask on my bike

I’ve not worn a mask for cycling until now.

 

[xenon]

Compliance might be more down to being nervous and conscientious (and conscientious types really have it in for the non-conscientious), and having empathy.

What sort of people are most likely to be reckless, into rule-breaking and at least slightly callous?

Well there's probably differing self justifications.
The gormless chin mask wearers probably thinkk, well it's not that important and I have got a mask, so no one can tell me off;
The fotler, brexity, plandemic leaning types want attention and a chance to expound their bullshit but probably not an actual altercation with anyone they can't just rant at;
A few generally antisocial possibly violent scumbags;
Bravado about general rule breaking, amongst the groups of younger people, group dynamics etc

 

[gentlegreen]

Sadly there's.an ethnic dimension.
The (mostly) "Polish" shop where I buy my pickles is almost entirely mask-free and there was a young couple with a child in 99% - compliant Aldi last week who I'm pretty sure were Polish.
A colleague of mine expressed relief at being home from a visit to the in-laws due to the attitudes there.

 

[Doodler]

Well there's probably differing self justifications.
The gormless chin mask wearers probably thinkk, well it's not that important and I have got a mask, so no one can tell me off;
The fotler, brexity, plandemic leaning types want attention and a chance to expound their bullshit but probably not an actual altercation with anyone they can't just rant at;
A few generally antisocial possibly violent scumbags;
Bravado about general rule breaking, amongst the groups of younger people, group dynamics etc

At my work (builders merchant/DIY) the customers who won't wear masks are mostly young men who look like they're from the more casual end of the trade. Some are aggressive swaggerers, others more the cheerful happy-go-lucky kind.

 

[8ball]

First time on a tram since before lockdown today and have to say people were generally pretty diligent on the masks front:

 

[Marty1]

Delivered to a shopping centre yesterday and they had a mask dispenser machine, like a snack dispenser only selling packs of masks.

 

[weltweit]

Yep, I have made a few 'octogon' masks. Not easy to fit with a filter pocket though - although I have largely dispensed with these, since 2-3 layers of poplin is already hot enough.

Why would you need an extra filter?

 

[Badgers]

Wanker

 

[existentialist]

Wanker

You can't generalise too much, but I am really struggling to relate that man's hostile aggression towards the BTP officer with the stuff about "panic attacks", etc. It felt very much to me as if he was trying to make the mask thing a point of principle, and I wonder whether all the anxiety stuff was a bit of a post hoc attempt to get himself off the hook.

One of the things I think is really quite shit about the way some people appear to be using the medical conditions argument to excuse them from mask wearing is that it undermines the argument for people who genuinely have medical conditions which prevent them from doing so.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Also good to wear a mask in the event of a BTP filth pepper spraying you

 

[gentlegreen]

Also good to wear a mask in the event of a BTP filth pepper spraying you

Indeed the irony is painful.

 

[Marty1]

I had a complete dick pretend he couldn’t understand me because I had my mask on - even tho I was standing right in front of him and speaking loud and clear.

Had to be polite as I was at work so dealing with an Amazon customer that I had to request photo ID for alcohol.