F1 2019
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Limejuice
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1%er
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Another masterful season from Lewis. 
Some great races this year.
So when does series2 of Drive To Survive start? Should be fascinating.
Some great races this year.
So when does series2 of Drive To Survive start? Should be fascinating.
1%er
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for sure it will be before the season starts so my guess is late Feb or early March
1%er
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Well that's it for another year, I have really enjoyed all of your company over the 21 races and look forward to seeing you all again for next season.
Loads of drivers have their contracts up for renewal after the 2020 season, so it should be a good year for news and speculation.
Thanks again for your company catch you for the Australian GP on the 15th March
Loads of drivers have their contracts up for renewal after the 2020 season, so it should be a good year for news and speculation.
Thanks again for your company catch you for the Australian GP on the 15th March
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Ferrari fined €50,000 for 4.88kg fuel discrepancy. Result stands.
1%er
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World motorsport council decisions
The following is a summary of the meeting and the main decisions taken:
FIA Formula One World Championship
The Council approved a number of changes to the 2020 Technical and Sporting Regulations, including:
Following the pre-selection of Magneti Marelli for the fuel primer pump, and of Bosch for the high pressure fuel pump and piping by the Council on 30 July 2019, a phase of consultation with the teams, Power Unit manufacturers and the two prospective suppliers was conducted under the arbitration of the FIA Technical Department. Today, the Council proceeded to final appointment of the two suppliers.
3 MGU-K's for cars in 2020
Since F1’s complex V6 turbo-hybrid engines were introduced in 2014 there have been limits over how many individual components within the power units can be used. These limits have become stricter over time, with the intention of reducing costs by preventing teams from developing and utilising upgraded versions of each component.
Initially, for a 19-race race season, each driver was permitted to use five of every element, the internal combustion engine, turbocharger, the heat (MGU-H) and kinetic (MHU-K) energy-based motor generator units, control electronics and energy store.
For the recently-completed 2019 season, drivers were punished if they used more than three engines, turbos or MGU-H components over the 21-race schedule, while the MGU-K, control electronics and energy store limit stood at two.
However, the teams had agreed to increase the limit with F1’s calendar growing to 22 races. The FIA’s World Motor Sport Council has now ratified the increase of the MGU-K limit to three for 2020. Among the arguments were the discrepancy between the MGU-K and MGU-H limit, which can create extra work to change only the MGU-K because of how the various components are integrated.
The MGU-K is a sensitive element of the V6 turbo-hybrids that harvests kinetic energy to be stored in the battery, and produces 120kW of power. Its fickle nature is best demonstrated by Renault’s repeated attempts to introduce an uprated version that kept being pushed back. Half the grid made it through the 2019 season without requiring a third MGU-K, including all six Ferrari-powered drivers.
However, all of the Renault and Honda-powered cars used more than two, with Toro Rosso driver Daniil Kvyat requiring a season-high six.
Could racing Point become Aston Martin
The Racing Point Formula 1 team could be rebranded as Aston Martin as its billionaire owner Lawrence Stroll has been linked to a buy-in at the luxury car manufacturer. Stroll, whose is believed to be worth more than £2 billion, led a consortium in taking over the Force India F1 team last year when it went into administration. He rebranded the team as Racing Point and has invested heavily in it, and plans to expand its factory next year.
It is understands he is now considering a buy-in at Aston Martin to take advantage of a drop in its value since it floated on the London stock market last year. Aston Martin share prices have fallen from £19 at launch to around the £5 mark, and made a loss of £80 million over the first six months of 2019. A source indicated Stroll intends to wrap Racing Point in Aston Martin’s British racing green colours if he is successful in buying a controlling stake. An alliance between Aston Martin and Stroll’s Mercedes-powered F1 team would complement the road car company’s technical partnership with the three-pointed star, who also supply their engines. Aston Martin also established an engineering centre at Silverstone, in close proximity to the Racing Point factory, last December.
The move could have serious implications for Red Bull, whose title sponsor is Aston Martin. The two companies have collaborated on the Valkyrie hypercar which is due to enter the 2020-21 World Endurance Championship including the Le Mans 24 Hours.Stroll, an avid motoring enthusiast with an extensive collection of classic cars, made his money in the fashion industry through brands such as Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren and Pierre Cardin.
Aston Martin’s previous, brief spell in Formula 1 began six decades ago when it entered a pair of DBR4s for Roy Salvadori and Carroll Shelby in four races. It returned in 1960 but its front-engined car had been superceded by rear-engined rivals, and though it had plans for a rear-engined design, the team cancelled its F1 project before the end of the year.
The following is a summary of the meeting and the main decisions taken:
FIA Formula One World Championship
The Council approved a number of changes to the 2020 Technical and Sporting Regulations, including:
- Wording relating to the sampling and testing of fuel at the events to incorporate reference declarations
- The reinstatement of the chequered flag as the definitive end-of-race signal
- Wording to prevent teams from covering their cars during winter testing, in order to make these events more appealing to the media and fans
- Minor corrections and adjustments to articles in both sets of Regulations
Following the pre-selection of Magneti Marelli for the fuel primer pump, and of Bosch for the high pressure fuel pump and piping by the Council on 30 July 2019, a phase of consultation with the teams, Power Unit manufacturers and the two prospective suppliers was conducted under the arbitration of the FIA Technical Department. Today, the Council proceeded to final appointment of the two suppliers.
3 MGU-K's for cars in 2020
Since F1’s complex V6 turbo-hybrid engines were introduced in 2014 there have been limits over how many individual components within the power units can be used. These limits have become stricter over time, with the intention of reducing costs by preventing teams from developing and utilising upgraded versions of each component.
Initially, for a 19-race race season, each driver was permitted to use five of every element, the internal combustion engine, turbocharger, the heat (MGU-H) and kinetic (MHU-K) energy-based motor generator units, control electronics and energy store.
For the recently-completed 2019 season, drivers were punished if they used more than three engines, turbos or MGU-H components over the 21-race schedule, while the MGU-K, control electronics and energy store limit stood at two.
However, the teams had agreed to increase the limit with F1’s calendar growing to 22 races. The FIA’s World Motor Sport Council has now ratified the increase of the MGU-K limit to three for 2020. Among the arguments were the discrepancy between the MGU-K and MGU-H limit, which can create extra work to change only the MGU-K because of how the various components are integrated.
The MGU-K is a sensitive element of the V6 turbo-hybrids that harvests kinetic energy to be stored in the battery, and produces 120kW of power. Its fickle nature is best demonstrated by Renault’s repeated attempts to introduce an uprated version that kept being pushed back. Half the grid made it through the 2019 season without requiring a third MGU-K, including all six Ferrari-powered drivers.
However, all of the Renault and Honda-powered cars used more than two, with Toro Rosso driver Daniil Kvyat requiring a season-high six.
Could racing Point become Aston Martin
The Racing Point Formula 1 team could be rebranded as Aston Martin as its billionaire owner Lawrence Stroll has been linked to a buy-in at the luxury car manufacturer. Stroll, whose is believed to be worth more than £2 billion, led a consortium in taking over the Force India F1 team last year when it went into administration. He rebranded the team as Racing Point and has invested heavily in it, and plans to expand its factory next year.
It is understands he is now considering a buy-in at Aston Martin to take advantage of a drop in its value since it floated on the London stock market last year. Aston Martin share prices have fallen from £19 at launch to around the £5 mark, and made a loss of £80 million over the first six months of 2019. A source indicated Stroll intends to wrap Racing Point in Aston Martin’s British racing green colours if he is successful in buying a controlling stake. An alliance between Aston Martin and Stroll’s Mercedes-powered F1 team would complement the road car company’s technical partnership with the three-pointed star, who also supply their engines. Aston Martin also established an engineering centre at Silverstone, in close proximity to the Racing Point factory, last December.
The move could have serious implications for Red Bull, whose title sponsor is Aston Martin. The two companies have collaborated on the Valkyrie hypercar which is due to enter the 2020-21 World Endurance Championship including the Le Mans 24 Hours.Stroll, an avid motoring enthusiast with an extensive collection of classic cars, made his money in the fashion industry through brands such as Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren and Pierre Cardin.
Aston Martin’s previous, brief spell in Formula 1 began six decades ago when it entered a pair of DBR4s for Roy Salvadori and Carroll Shelby in four races. It returned in 1960 but its front-engined car had been superceded by rear-engined rivals, and though it had plans for a rear-engined design, the team cancelled its F1 project before the end of the year.
MrCurry
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However they spin it, it’s not exactly a vote of confidence in Pirelli from the teams, is it?
1%er
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New Rio F1 track literally a mine field
Leaked documents have revealed that the site earmarked for a new racetrack in Rio de Janeiro linked with hosting Formula 1 in the future could remain an active minefield. A new track is being constructed on the site of the Deodoro military base, which was used as a hosting venue in the 2016 Olympic Games. MotoGP has agreed a deal to race at the new venue, while Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro had claimed that F1 would also make the move, although organisers at Interlagos, where F1 has raced every year since 1990, remain confident of keeping the race in Sao Paulo.
A report by Sportlight Agency has uncovered reports pertaining to the site's decommissioning as a military base, which claim that a sweep of the area for mines was not fully completed. It is estimated that 167,000 items were found and safely detonated in sweeps of the area in 2014 and 2015. However, documents say that "permanently flooded areas and watercourses were not subject to sweeping, taking into account the limited materials and techniques available to perform the task".
McLaren's Guillaume Cattelani has left the team
it looks like Guillaume Cattelani who is head of aerodynamics at McLaren is on his way to Haas, but the Haas team has made no comment. The Frenchman, who has been in the role since June 2014, is currently on gardening leave to see out his contract. Discussions are ongoing about when he will be free to join a rival outfit, with speculation linking him with a move to the Haas team in the early part of next year. A switch to Haas would see him link up again with the team's technical partner Dallara, where he worked from 2004 until 2006. After that spell, Cattelani was at Peugeot Sport where he was head of aerodynamics and then chief designer of its 908 Le Mans car. In 2012, he joined Lotus as its principal aerodynamicist before his move to McLaren.
F1 to limit brake components
Apparently F1 are planing to limit the number of brake components a driver can use during the course of a season. Among a raft of changes, the new F1 rules for 2021 will also introduce increased restrictions on the number of times some components, like brake pads, can be replaced. Grid penalties will be handed out from 2021 if drivers have to use more than 22 sets of brake discs and pads. The number is derived from the number of races on the calendar, meaning that the limit is essentially one set of brake parts per race weekend.
I have a feeling this will not be introduced or it will be stopped after someone has a accident related to this limit, it is surely a safety issue, disc crack we see that every season on a few cars also we hear about faulty materials on brake pads, who the fuck comes up with these stupid ideas?
Gordon Murray is back
The great F1 designer and the man behind the Mclaren supercar the Mclaren F1 is teaming up with Racing Point to build the T.50. Gordon Murray’s Automotive design company has released more details of its upcoming supercar, called the T.50. Working around a ground effect concept that Murray pioneered in Formula 1 in the late ’70s, the T.50 will feature some of the most advanced aerodynamic concepts ever seen on a road legal car. An announcement was made yesterday that the car will be built with the help and expertise of Racing Point, whose wind tunnel and facilities will be used to fettle the design over the coming months.
The T.50 is due for physical unveiling in May 2020. While the physical aesthetic of the car isn’t dissimilar to what’s been seen before from the likes of Pagani, Ferrari and McLaren, the T.50 features a 400mm ground effect fan at the rear. This is part of the airflow system, which also features active underbody elements and rear aerofoils, this will help create far more aero performance than a conventional supercar.
Leaked documents have revealed that the site earmarked for a new racetrack in Rio de Janeiro linked with hosting Formula 1 in the future could remain an active minefield. A new track is being constructed on the site of the Deodoro military base, which was used as a hosting venue in the 2016 Olympic Games. MotoGP has agreed a deal to race at the new venue, while Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro had claimed that F1 would also make the move, although organisers at Interlagos, where F1 has raced every year since 1990, remain confident of keeping the race in Sao Paulo.
A report by Sportlight Agency has uncovered reports pertaining to the site's decommissioning as a military base, which claim that a sweep of the area for mines was not fully completed. It is estimated that 167,000 items were found and safely detonated in sweeps of the area in 2014 and 2015. However, documents say that "permanently flooded areas and watercourses were not subject to sweeping, taking into account the limited materials and techniques available to perform the task".
McLaren's Guillaume Cattelani has left the team
it looks like Guillaume Cattelani who is head of aerodynamics at McLaren is on his way to Haas, but the Haas team has made no comment. The Frenchman, who has been in the role since June 2014, is currently on gardening leave to see out his contract. Discussions are ongoing about when he will be free to join a rival outfit, with speculation linking him with a move to the Haas team in the early part of next year. A switch to Haas would see him link up again with the team's technical partner Dallara, where he worked from 2004 until 2006. After that spell, Cattelani was at Peugeot Sport where he was head of aerodynamics and then chief designer of its 908 Le Mans car. In 2012, he joined Lotus as its principal aerodynamicist before his move to McLaren.
F1 to limit brake components
Apparently F1 are planing to limit the number of brake components a driver can use during the course of a season. Among a raft of changes, the new F1 rules for 2021 will also introduce increased restrictions on the number of times some components, like brake pads, can be replaced. Grid penalties will be handed out from 2021 if drivers have to use more than 22 sets of brake discs and pads. The number is derived from the number of races on the calendar, meaning that the limit is essentially one set of brake parts per race weekend.
I have a feeling this will not be introduced or it will be stopped after someone has a accident related to this limit, it is surely a safety issue, disc crack we see that every season on a few cars also we hear about faulty materials on brake pads, who the fuck comes up with these stupid ideas?
Gordon Murray is back
The great F1 designer and the man behind the Mclaren supercar the Mclaren F1 is teaming up with Racing Point to build the T.50. Gordon Murray’s Automotive design company has released more details of its upcoming supercar, called the T.50. Working around a ground effect concept that Murray pioneered in Formula 1 in the late ’70s, the T.50 will feature some of the most advanced aerodynamic concepts ever seen on a road legal car. An announcement was made yesterday that the car will be built with the help and expertise of Racing Point, whose wind tunnel and facilities will be used to fettle the design over the coming months.
The T.50 is due for physical unveiling in May 2020. While the physical aesthetic of the car isn’t dissimilar to what’s been seen before from the likes of Pagani, Ferrari and McLaren, the T.50 features a 400mm ground effect fan at the rear. This is part of the airflow system, which also features active underbody elements and rear aerofoils, this will help create far more aero performance than a conventional supercar.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Limiting brake components has to be the most staggeringly stupid idea for F1 I’ve ever heard 
Indeed FFSLimiting brake components has to be the most staggeringly stupid idea for F1 I’ve ever heard
iamwithnail
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That's astonishingly stupid.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Why? I'd say Murray has a fair idea of what he's doing.A ground-effects supercar with Brabham-style fan at the rear end is another pretty stupid idea.
I'm disappointed that Murray's proposed it
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
When it comes to racing cars and car manufacturing processes Murray is the proverbial god.
However, roads are not race tracks. And they are certainly not smooth, clean race tracks.
One of the complaints about the Brabham fan-car was that it picked up all the crud off the track and propelled it straight back into any following cars.
Also, if you're relying on ground-effects for extra grip then you're going to be fucked when you encounter a pot-hole part way 'round a bend.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Well, like most supercars I'd guess this is really aimed at the "Day out at the Nurburgring" crew. I'd also like to think a man of Murray's intellect would have probably thought of these things...
1%er
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Some interesting predictions
Germany’s Auto Bild magazine is often correct in its reporting about F1 news, they apear to have some very good contact with-in F1 teams, the FIA and Liberty media. So I was very interested to read about some seismic changes they believe are coming to F1. What do you think?
Liberty Media is trying hard to get Alonso back into F1 by pitching him to top teams. Marko confirmed that Red Bull, for instance, was approached in the summer, but he was a no-go because Honda didnt want him. The current plan is to get Hamilton to Ferrari and Alonso to Mercedes. They (Liberty Media) think this scenario would be box office comparable to Ali vs. Frazier
While Ferrari is interested in Hamilton he would only consider it (according to sources in Maranello) if Wolff joins as well (and Wolff said he won’t), in order to be politically on the same boat as Leclerc with Todt (I assume they mean Todt Jr his manager not the boss of the FIA)
Mercedes will only continue to stay in F1 with a works team if Wolff can fund the whole operation over sponsoring (Wolff has hired a marketing expert for this now), otherwise, they will only stay as a engine supplier
Wolff to Liberty is not happening because for that he would have to be 3 years out of F1, those are Liberty’s conditions. His Mercedes contract ends 2020 however.
What Mattia Binotto/Louis Camilleri said at Ferrari's end of season dinner
About Alonso, “We have talked about him, but he no longer sits with our plans,” the team boss said. He has also said that he has spoken with Lewis about him joining the Ferrari team, but Ferrari will not look at their 2021 driver line-up until May 2020.
As for Verstappen, Camilleri is still furious with the Dutchman after he accused Ferrari of “cheating” with its 2019 engine, he told the dinner guests “These declarations generally don’t take you very far,” he said of the Red Bull-Honda driver who is not ruling out a change of teams for 2021 “Max is 22 years old, so why give him credibility when we are Ferrari?” Camilleri added. “Sometimes silence is more powerful.”
When Camilleri was asked about Verstappen by the press after the dinner he went further saying “A driver who accuses Ferrari of cheating cannot think of being with us. Mattia said we had FIA inspectors everywhere. His (Verstappen’s) words created all sorts of problems within the team.”
Has Max shot himself in the foot with his comments about Ferrari, I think not, Ferrari will sign Verstappen in years to come if they believe he can win for them, Ferrari is all about winning.
Germany’s Auto Bild magazine is often correct in its reporting about F1 news, they apear to have some very good contact with-in F1 teams, the FIA and Liberty media. So I was very interested to read about some seismic changes they believe are coming to F1. What do you think?
Liberty Media is trying hard to get Alonso back into F1 by pitching him to top teams. Marko confirmed that Red Bull, for instance, was approached in the summer, but he was a no-go because Honda didnt want him. The current plan is to get Hamilton to Ferrari and Alonso to Mercedes. They (Liberty Media) think this scenario would be box office comparable to Ali vs. Frazier
While Ferrari is interested in Hamilton he would only consider it (according to sources in Maranello) if Wolff joins as well (and Wolff said he won’t), in order to be politically on the same boat as Leclerc with Todt (I assume they mean Todt Jr his manager not the boss of the FIA)
Mercedes will only continue to stay in F1 with a works team if Wolff can fund the whole operation over sponsoring (Wolff has hired a marketing expert for this now), otherwise, they will only stay as a engine supplier
Wolff to Liberty is not happening because for that he would have to be 3 years out of F1, those are Liberty’s conditions. His Mercedes contract ends 2020 however.
What Mattia Binotto/Louis Camilleri said at Ferrari's end of season dinner
About Alonso, “We have talked about him, but he no longer sits with our plans,” the team boss said. He has also said that he has spoken with Lewis about him joining the Ferrari team, but Ferrari will not look at their 2021 driver line-up until May 2020.
As for Verstappen, Camilleri is still furious with the Dutchman after he accused Ferrari of “cheating” with its 2019 engine, he told the dinner guests “These declarations generally don’t take you very far,” he said of the Red Bull-Honda driver who is not ruling out a change of teams for 2021 “Max is 22 years old, so why give him credibility when we are Ferrari?” Camilleri added. “Sometimes silence is more powerful.”
When Camilleri was asked about Verstappen by the press after the dinner he went further saying “A driver who accuses Ferrari of cheating cannot think of being with us. Mattia said we had FIA inspectors everywhere. His (Verstappen’s) words created all sorts of problems within the team.”
Has Max shot himself in the foot with his comments about Ferrari, I think not, Ferrari will sign Verstappen in years to come if they believe he can win for them, Ferrari is all about winning.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
To me Hamilton at Ferrari has the feeling of a done deal somehow.
if I had to guess at his game plan it’s to equal Schumacher’s record next season - which lets face it, has fairly good odds of happening - then break it the following year in a shiny red car. At that point he can retire and go be the fashion designer/terrible musician he clearly also wants.
if I had to guess at his game plan it’s to equal Schumacher’s record next season - which lets face it, has fairly good odds of happening - then break it the following year in a shiny red car. At that point he can retire and go be the fashion designer/terrible musician he clearly also wants.
