Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

F1 2016

Good news for the extended Ecclestone family.

F1 chief Bernie Ecclestone's mother-in-law freed - BBC News

No-one hurt and no money paid out.

I suspect the Sao Paulo Police Department's Christmas Dinner, Dance and Bingo might have a few more baubles on the tree this year...

:D
Clearly the villains were not the sharpest knives in the draw as they were caught by finger-prints. Everyone in Brazil has their finger-prints on file with the Federal police, you have them taken when you get an ID card, you need an ID card here for even simple things, so it is almost impossible to live without one.

They will soon find-out who was behind it, if the two kids they have caught even know. The police here tend to offer deals to the small-fry in order to get to the bigger fish. If news reports are true, while there was a ransom of 39 million (UK$) the kids who took her were only going to get around 5 grand each. The news here also says it was Bernie's helicopter pilot behind it but I'm sure there will be other arrests.

What could be a downside to this is that, it will now be big news and others may well decide this is an opportunity to make easy money with so many tourists coming here for the Olympics.
 
Clearly the villains were not the sharpest knives in the draw as they were caught by finger-prints. Everyone in Brazil has their finger-prints on file with the Federal police, you have them taken when you get an ID card, you need an ID card here for even simple things, so it is almost impossible to live without one. ..
Have they been doing that for long?
 
Have they been doing that for long?
Yes for many many years, from speaking to people in the bread queue as long as anyone could remember, well over 60 years it seems speaking to people today, from personal experience I got my first ID card in Brazil well over 30 years ago and they took my prints than.

It appears now from news reports that they knew who to look for with-in 12 hours of the kidnapping, the news is also reporting that the kidnappers spoke to representatives of the family by mobile phone from inside the apartment where they were holding Aparecida Schunck, so the police used cell-site analysis to pin-point the address. It seems clear that there was no "mastermind" involved just a few chancers as it appears they didn't have much of a clue as to how to keep themselves off the radar, some communication was also via email but not much information about that has come out yet, the internet has only really taken off here in the last few years, for sure just 6 years ago very few people had access unless that used an internet cafe, so it wouldn't surprise me if they used their own mobile phones to send the emails :)
 
Yes for many many years, from speaking to people in the bread queue as long as anyone could remember, well over 60 years it seems speaking to people today, from personal experience I got my first ID card in Brazil well over 30 years ago and they took my prints than.

It appears now from news reports that they knew who to look for with-in 12 hours of the kidnapping, the news is also reporting that the kidnappers spoke to representatives of the family by mobile phone from inside the apartment where they were holding Aparecida Schunck, so the police used cell-site analysis to pin-point the address. It seems clear that there was no "mastermind" involved just a few chancers as it appears they didn't have much of a clue as to how to keep themselves off the radar, some communication was also via email but not much information about that has come out yet, the internet has only really taken off here in the last few years, for sure just 6 years ago very few people had access unless that used an internet cafe, so it wouldn't surprise me if they used their own mobile phones to send the emails :)
Back when we were discussing ID cards for the UK, I don't remember anyone quoting Brazil as an example of where it worked, hence my question. Interesting though and one to remember. And back to the case in question, it does seem the kidnappers were not very clever.
 
Have Ferrari also lost their chief aerodynamicist
Rumors are doing the rounds that having lost James Allison, Ferrari may also be about to loose their chief aerodynamicist Dirk de Beer. It would seem that the team is in complete disarray. Two things seem to be pushing the changes at the team, massive pressure in the Italian press and the car company executives wanting instant results. The big question now is how many other staff will leave to take up positions in the new teams Allison and de Beer move to after they have taken their gardening leave. It is also reported that the team has not developed its chassis since Spain and that resources are now being pored into the 2017 car, if that is true then Red Bull, who continue to develop their car may well hold on to 2nd place in the constructors championship.

Driver rumors
Rumor has it that Sergio Perez is talking to Renault, this could be a good move for both parties as driving for a works team is always better than driving for a customer team and also Perez has a big bag of cash to take with him whatever team he drives for.

Also tale that Lance Stroll could be looking at a seat in the Williams, he is currently leading the European Formula 3 Championship. It has been reported that Stroll has been seen testing an old Williams car at various tracks around the world. Williams have not answered questions about this but it is thought that rather than the team paying for this, it is Stroll's billionaire father.
 
Back when we were discussing ID cards for the UK, I don't remember anyone quoting Brazil as an example of where it worked, hence my question. Interesting though and one to remember. And back to the case in question, it does seem the kidnappers were not very clever.
It depends on what you mean by "worked" ;) Brazil has a number of ways of "tracking" its citizens, as well as the ID card everyone in Brazil has a CPF number (the closest thing in the UK is the N.I. number). This is a tax number and can be asked for when you buy anything, its use differs State by State, but for some transactions it has to be given across the country. For example in Sao Paulo (and many other States) many super-markets ask for your CPF when you shop there also if you buy anything in Brazil that has a guarantee or warranty you will have to give your CPF. Anyone can look up a CPF number via the internet and see who it belongs too and if they are blacklisted for credit etc, you can do the same for a car registration number to see who it is registered too. All this information is also available to the police and government, so for example if the police are looking for someone they can look up their CPF and see where it was last used and it gives an indication of what State or city they are in. Foreigners living in Brazil will also have a CPF and a RNE number so they can be tracked, again it is very hard to live here without these numbers, for example; a foreigner can not open a back account without an RNE. Also now to use the public health system you need a SUS number and if you see a doctor or go to hospital you have to give that number before you can get treatment, this is entered into a central computer system and again can alert the authorities as to where you are.

It is very hard to live under the radar in Brazil, you can exist but it would be a very hard life as you couldn't shop, see a doctor, rent a place etc....
 
Chris Amon dies aged 73
Chris Amon the New Zealander raced in the 60's and 70's. he raced in Formula 1 starting in 1963 driving for the Parnell team, March, McLaren, Ferrari and Matra. He was talked about as the best F1 driver never to win a race, his career was dogged with bad luck so much that Mario Andretti once joked that "if he became an undertaker, people would stop dying". During the mid-70s chris ran his own Amon formula 1 team.

Is Sergio Perez on the move
Despite having a contract with Force India the team has said they have "little control over Perez's future". It appears that there is an escape clause in his contract that allows him to move if his sponsors want that. Sergio has massive backing from Mexican sponsors who it seems can decide with the driver if they want to move. It has been reported recently that both Williams and Renault have been speaking with the driver, so it may be that he is racing somewhere other than Force India in the 2017 season.
 
Money talks. Perez + Bottas could be a no-change combo. ("Felipe, Checko is younger than you...") But Bottas, Perez and Massa are 7th, 8th and 9th in the championship, with 58, 48 and 38 points respectively. I rather like the harmony of those numbers.

Renault needs good driver. K. Mag + Perez combo?

Jolyon P: Au revoir, mes amis!
Renault: Non, adieu, crashy Brexiteer.

:D
 
CVC Capital Partners to sell F1 stake
It is being reported that CVC have retained Goldman Sachs to sell their remaining 35% stake in Formula 1. CVC brought F1 10 years ago and have made a 450% return on their investment, they paid $2 billion, one billion invested equity by CVC the other billion from loans, to-date they have removed $4.5 billion (much of which has come from loading F1 with debt). If they sell it for the $10 billion asking price that will have made 8 times the value of their original investment (nice work if you can get away with it). It has also taken CVC from a little known European private equity company to a world renown investment company.

There are thought to be 3 companies interested by buying F1, they are Rupert Murdoch’s Sky Plc, the Qatar Investment Authority and RSE Ventures, but I'd be surprised if the 10 billion price tag is reached.

Will Lewis take engine penalty in Belgium
This weekends Belgium GP and next weeks Italian Grand Prix seem to be the best options for him as he has a great chance of flying through the pack and getting himself some good points at both those circuits. I guess Mercedes will make a announcement in the next day or two. He has a 19 point lead at the moment so now seems a good time to take the pain or maybe wait to next weekend where if he wins in Belgium he could have a bigger lead.
 
Lewis will want to generate as much certainty and control as he can. The way to do that is take the hit soon when he has enough time to do something about it afterwards. Worst one-race scenario: he scores zero, Nico wins, he's behind by 6 points. Not a catastrophe by any means.

Selfishly, I hope Lewis takes the pain this weekend. I want to see him attack everything on the track. :thumbs:

(The following week, I may miss the whole weekend because of a sad family situation. :( On the other hand, I may be able to set up Sky Go on my phone... :) Who needs to be liked by family anyway? It's not like they can unfriend me.)
 
(The following week, I may miss the whole weekend because of a sad family situation. :( On the other hand, I may be able to set up Sky Go on my phone... :) Who needs to be liked by family anyway? It's not like they can unfriend me.)
If you can't get sky go on the phone post a message here and I'll send you a good working link so you can watch the race, I'm sure you wouldn't want to miss Monza ;)
 
Hamilton will take a penalty this weekend
Mercedes have confirmed that Lewis will take a penalty for the Belgian Grand Prix. They are currently yet to decide if it will be a 10 place penalty or they will take all the pain this weekend which would send him to the back of the grid. It seem that taking two engine penalties this weekend is the best option so his penalties don't run on for week after week. It would seem likely Mercedes will take a new Turbo and HGU-H during free practice and the same units later during the weekend, as penalties are no-longer held-over to the following weekend he will start from the back of the grid and hopefully no more penalties later in the season.

I would expect him to finish no further back than 6th place if he doesn't have any problems, but I'm not sure he will be able to catch the Ferrari's or the resurgent Red Bulls, if they all run to their race pace. I'm sure if he turned the Mercedes up to use full power he could get higher, but that would defeat his objective of not having future engine penalties.

With regard to the point above by yardbird "I fail to understand why the driver should have penalties for mechanical issues", it is a team sport, so unfortunately the driver has to take the pain if other parts of the team have problems. I wish it wasn't that way but that's they way the sport is run, personally I would like the driver to suffer penalties for their mistakes and the team to suffer if the problem is a result of their actions, after all they are racing for two different and separate championships.

Honda bring power-unit upgrades to Spa
Honda has spent seven of its Formula 1 engine development tokens on an internal combustion engine and turbo compressor update ahead of this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix, the Japanese manufacturer's main focus is to improve combustion efficiency so a large chunk of the tokens have been spent in that area.

The remainder have been focused on the turbo, which follows a two-token spend on that component for Canada, with the target of improving harvesting efficiency.
 
Last edited:
Take the pain, Lewis. Start at the back then drive into the points. Emerge with fresh gear and still a lead (or parity) in the points. Nico will feel under pressure to blast all the points and probably drive off the track again.

Can Lewis take more than one of everything?

If it's only 10 places per power component, I'd ask for 10 of all the pots and pans.

:)
 
Drivers press conference can be watched here (two or three pop-ups) they all looked bored as hell, those taking part were Esteban Ocon (Manor), Romain Grosjean (Haas), Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso), Fernando Alonso (McLaren), Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing) and Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes).

There was an interesting exchange about 15 minutes in that some may be interested in:
Q: (Barna Zsoldos – Nemzeti Sport) Fernando, you said in an interview that, if the nature of Formula One next year doesn’t change significantly, you stop – even if you win the championship. Is it really that bad? And Lewis, what is your opinion on that: is driving the car nowadays really that bad?

FA: Well, I think I said, sometimes already that next year I finish my contract with McLaren, the one that I have now, so I will have to make a decision if I continue in Formula One or not. I think in the last couple of years, especially with this turbo engine era, the car is a little bit different to drive. I don’t say that it’s better or worse, everyone will have his opinion. I’ve been lucky enough to drive 2003 cars, 2004, 2005, even until 2009 the cars were, in my opinion, more extreme, more Formula One cars, so now when I see GP2 running three seconds away, or something like that in FP1 it feels a little bit sad. Cars are heavy. No grip. We save fuel, we save tyres, we save everything from lap one, so it’s a little bit against the instinct of the driver and next year is a big question mark. I think with the new regs everything will change a little bit. I think if the cars are fun to drive, are exciting to drive, I will probably stay longer and I will drive for more years in Formula One. If the cars are still giving me the feeling that I have in the last couple of years, probably I will stop. But it’s not related to whether you are competitive or not. If you are out in Q1 or winning a championship. It’s just you are enjoying driving the cars or you are not enjoying. Right now, in my opinion, the cars are not enjoyable. Probably because I drove other cars. If you arrive now to Formula One, these cars are very fast and very fun to drive – but not for me anymore.

And Lewis, your thoughts on the challenge provided by the cars?

LH: I agree with everything Fernando said really. There’s two aspects. Fernando’s obviously one of the best drivers we have here and yet he’s had an incredibly challenging last couple of years with a not competitive car, so it’s understandable if that continues that way then it’s no fun for any of us. We live and breathe to win. Knowing in himself that he could fight for a championship if he was sat next to me for example, in our car. In terms of the rules, the cars are going to be the same next year. It’s a different looking car, the same issues are going to be the same and, what Fernando’s saying, we slow down as soon as we’ve done the start and got that out of the way, generally we’re not pushing 100 per cent like perhaps they used to do. It was a more extreme race back in the day, it was a sprint. For us, all starting in go-karts, that’s what it was from the get-go, from the lights out it was a sprint race to the end. Formula One’s not about that anymore. It’s about preserving your tyres, preserving the battery power, preserving the turbo, preserving all these elements which are not what people tune in to see. So, the governing body is continuing to push the car. Next year’s still going to be even more heavy, probably not have great grip. The car will probably be faster but it will have the same characteristics, probably, as what we have now. I might be wrong but most-likely. We’ll drive the same next year, just with a heavier car, and having to save fuel, save tyres, do the same things. Yeah. Probably said more than I needed to say!

[Clearly the drivers feel the same as millions of fans and want to see flat-out racing from the lights going out to the checked flag, when will FOM and the FIA catch on?]

 
Confirmed: Lewis.

New power unit for FP1 (all 6 elements), another for FP2 (all 6...), and another FP3 (all 6...).

Crofty on Sky claims this is a total of 75 places grid penalty. All taken in 1 race.

:D


A new record. And it's a British record. It brings a tiny tear to the eye.
 
Apparently the grid place penalty record is held by Jenson Button - 70 places.

It's lucky they don't have to carry forward penalties to later races.
 
Apparently the grid place penalty record is held by Jenson Button - 70 places.

It's lucky they don't have to carry forward penalties to later races.
Its all getting a little silly isn't it :D

Looks like Alonso is getting a 35 place penalty :rolleyes:

Rumor is that Jenson will soon announce he is moving to Williams, although I did hear that he was talking to Renault :hmm: but so are K-Mag, Perez and Bottas. I can't see Perez moving to Renault as they will be sponsored by Movistar and Perez is sponsored by Telmex who are direct competitors in the mobile phone market, but when he was at McLaren they were sponsored by Vodafone, so who knows. I think we will hear something in the next couple of weeks. On the radio today Vandoorne's manager is said to have let the cat out of the bag about him 100% driving for McLaren in 2017.

Rumor about F1 Sale
Mark Kleinman is a journalist who in the past has been shown to have a very good source within CVC Capital Partners, so when he comes up with a story about the private equity firm, one should pay close attention. Kleinman reported today on Sky that John Malone’s firm Liberty Media is close to completing a deal worth $8.5 billion to buy the shares of the Formula One group from its existing shareholders. He also says that if the complex deal goes ahead, it will result in Formula One being listed on the NASDAQ stock exchange in New York. He does, however, say that the deal is not completed and one has to therefore ask whether the leak is designed as a hurry-up to other potential bidders, or whether it is really the most likely outcome.

The fact that Liberty Media is interested is now news, as it has been rumoured for some months. Malone took an interest in the sport about 18 months ago but no deal could be found and so he bought control of Formula E instead.

Kleinman also reports that if the deal goes ahead the role of chairman of Formula One would go to Chase Carey, a 62-year-old American, who is the executive vice-chairman of 21st Century Fox, a News Corporation company. He has long been associated with Fox, dating back to 1988 and he helped to launch such things as Fox Sports and FoxNews. A Harvard MBA, he moved from Fox to become CEO of DirecTV in 2003 before that was sold to Liberty three years later. He stayed on for three further years before going back to News Corporation in 2009 and he has been tipped in the past as a possible successor to Rupert Murdoch. He would certainly be a high-flyer, but it is not clear why he would take the F1 job, if he is looking at a brighter future…
 
Since Bernie isn't immortal, a change in style and direction is inevitable. Unless they have meetings with a ouija board.

I hope the new owner will remember the worldwide audience and die-hards while they are making their 'improvements'.

:thumbs:
 
Since Bernie isn't immortal, a change in style and direction is inevitable. Unless they have meetings with a ouija board.

I hope the new owner will remember the worldwide audience and die-hards while they are making their 'improvements'.

:thumbs:
I read something a while ago that said if Bernie leaves (or dies) any new company taking over F1 is likely to have 3 people doing his job, one person dealing with the racing side of things, one person dealing with the marketing/TV rights etc and a CEO overseeing and coordinating them and between the 3 of them they wouldn't earn the same as Bernie :)

I think buying F1 is a good investment (but not at $10 Billion), once Bernie goes and F1 get some "proper corporate governance", it would be an easy sale on any stock-market. People would look at how much CVC have made, even with all the debt they have loaded it with and think they would get a good return. I think currently F1 isn't making the kind of money it could if it sold races over the 'net, I think that is a market they just haven't exploited fully yet. I'm sure it would mean a drop in Rights payments from TV companies but I believe that would be well covered buy internet income.
 
Some wags are texting Sky suggesting that since Lewis is on 2 reprimands, he should commit some track-based infraction in practice. He then incurs his third reprimand, takes the 10-place grid penalty, and starts again with a clean slate.

Genius.

:thumbs:
 
Some wags are texting Sky suggesting that since Lewis is on 2 reprimands, he should commit some track-based infraction in practice. He then incurs his third reprimand, takes the 10-place grid penalty, and starts again with a clean slate.

Genius.

:thumbs:

I suggested that a few pages back. Obviously didn't explain myself clearly enough.
 
Back
Top Bottom