Does the left understand the working class and how would they answer their concerns?
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revol68
what, fucking what?
Out of interest what do you do for a living?
Is doing nothing on the dole worse than having a job in which you are actually fucking people over?
Is this obsession with 'doing something' not simply the ideological product of an economic system that would collapse if it didn't keep moving. Where the only thing justified in it's own sake is the expansion of capital and everything else must justify itself in utility?
Considering this constant expansion of work is taking us close to ecological disaster isn't it about time we dumped the work ethic?
revol68
what, fucking what?
You do realise there is a difference between a job and doing some sort of useful activity, people never had jobs for thousands of years and still managed to feed themselves and raise brats.
I mean when you go camping or whatever, people go get fire wood, others go get the beers, some prepare the food or set up the tents, none of it is a job in the proper sense.
BTW i'm not suggesting a return to a hunter gatherer society and it's division of labour, simply pointing out that doing something doesn't necessarily equal job. I've set up home networks for loads of mates, sorted out their pc's, formated hardrives, assembled pc components etc and none of it was a job.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Better that than Victor Mildrew.
The problem is you can't run a society on the basis of doing your mates an occasional favour.
CyberRose
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Hmmm, so what work will people have to do and what if nobody wants to do some of it? I kinda had my heart on the astronaut position but I don't think I'd really be up for wiping the arses of old people...
I don't think my job screws anyone over, revol, I work in the public sector, and I can't think of any way in which my particular role screws anyone over (partly why I applied for it). But i'm not saying any more than that for reasons of anonymity. If you don't like it, tough.
And, again, the fact that you only see the 2 options of a) being in a paid job; or b) doing nothing on the dole tells me a huge amount about your priorities.
And, again, the fact that you only see the 2 options of a) being in a paid job; or b) doing nothing on the dole tells me a huge amount about your priorities.
without knowing exactly what I do, you're talking out of your arse. Prick.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I don't do anything I spend my time on here entertainig you, who clearly spends more time spouting on urban than doing his job, I also read a lot, probably not up there with building hoses for one legged HIV positive lesbians but then I never claimed to be a saint, simply somone who see's through the bullshit of the work ethic
I do find it odd to get a lecture about work from somone who spends a considerable amount of time on Urban during the working week.
I don't do anything I spend my time on here entertainig you, who clearly spends more time spouting on urban than doing his job, I also read a lot, probably not up there with building hoses for one legged HIV positive lesbians but then I never claimed to be a saint, simply somone who see's through the bullshit of the work ethic
I do find it odd to get a lecture about work from somone who spends a considerable amount of time on Urban during the working week.
I would tell you why, at present, I can spend time posting on urban during the week, but I doubt you'd be interested.
revol68
what, fucking what?
you ultimately get paid by a state that does plenty and plenty of fucking over, don't act the pious cunt, you are no better than anyother cunt, you ultimately do your job to put food on the table and have a comfortable living.
yes, very good. It's not about 'making a difference' but again, as you have no idea what it is I do, you're in no place to judge anyway. The fact is I live in the real world, I have responsibilities, I can't just decide not to work.
Of course I do my job to put food on the table, I don't have any alternative. I have responsibilities. But I try wherever possible to do the least harm. Of course if you were *that* bothered about the state, you wouldn't be taking money off them would you?
Nice language btw. You really are pathetic that you feel it necessary to call me a cunt.
Now then about work ethic, if no-one has any work ethic, who's gonna clean the bogs in your utopia?
I can walk on water, yes.
Got anything else to contribute other than sarcasm and dismissiveness?
Carousel's entioning the words Christian, Jesus or Quaker is supposed to send everybody running for cover.
So Carousel thinks something smacks of Christian values. So what?
I suspect when the revolution comes, revol will be outed as an intellectual and receive a neck-shot
revol68
what, fucking what?
Who cleans the toliet in your own house?
I'm not in the hobby of inventing toliet rotas for communism but I can look to historical examples of revolutionary situations where people have reorganised their labour and funny enought the big problem facing the communards, spanish anarchists and kronstadt sailors was not bog cleaning.
As it is I have mopped floors and cleaned bogs for nowt whilst volunteering in a yotuh and community group, I didn't see it as a job, just something that needed done and it was fair I took my turn, even though it's hardly enjoyable.
It certainly didn't require a work ethic.
Would you like to go and repeat this to the following and let us know the reaction:
- A nurse
- A fireman
- A dustman
Film it and put in youtube, should be good for a laugh.
CyberRose
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Well if it required a work ethic you would have probably run a mile!
Anyway, I don't want to clean toilets, and most people don't want to clean toilets, so how you gonna get people to do the unpopular work? (Because as much as you like cleaning toilets you can't clean em all!)
I clean my own toilet, thanks, but not public toilets. You up for that?
As for Communards, Spanish Anarchists and Kronstadt Sailors - where are they now?
Fair play to you for the volunteering at the youth centre. Now, rather than sitting on your arse all summer indulging yourself, why don't you go back there and do it again?
revol68
what, fucking what?
I suspect when the revolution comes, revol will be outed as an intellectual and receive a neck-shot
Balls, I harbour a narcissitic desire to throw myself into battle for some grand and poetic cause.
I'd rather dodge bullets than spend my days in some office.
It's one of the reasons I can see the appeal of the military to many young people and it also goes someway to explaining why millions threw themselves into the 1st World War.
Apparently such work would be shared out on rota basis. How revol would deal with the people who would tell him to fuck off when asked to do their duty isn't clear.
Balls, I harbour a narcissitic desire to throw myself into battle for some grand and poetic cause.
Yes, I noticed you're a Richie Manic fanboy.
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