Doctor Who 2023

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Slightly (slightly) more info in this tease:



The Universe is playing a game with the Doctor and Donna, then.

Looks like they are getting AI to do their promo art.


Has it been confirmed that the Toymaker is the Celestial Toymaker yet?

 

[danny la rouge]

Looks like they are getting AI to do their promo art.
Has it been confirmed that the Toymaker is the Celestial Toymaker yet?

Yes it has.

 

[danny la rouge]

And “The Church On Ruby Road" is the title of the Doctor Who Christmas Special with Ncuti Gatwa, confirmed to air on 25th December, 2023.

 

[CNT36]

The only "classic" Doctor Who (I don't count the mooovie) I remember seeing on the original run was the scene of the baddies coming out of the water in The Curse of Fenric.

 

[krtek a houby]

Slightly (slightly) more info in this tease:



The Universe is playing a game with the Doctor and Donna, then.

Beep the Meep!

 

[krtek a houby]

And “The Church On Ruby Road" is the title of the Doctor Who Christmas Special with Ncuti Gatwa, confirmed to air on 25th December, 2023.

A delightful xmas present and a complete meltdown for the gammon fandom

 

[Kaka Tim]

Watch it here....

ah - cheers for that! Watched it t'other night. Still good. But quite sad. (((bill hartnell)))

 

[Epona]

Ace would be heralded as "woke" if she debuted on the show nowadays. I think Peri made such a splash with her introduction, was willing to forgive the occasional duff episode. Plus her sparring chemistry with Colin Baker was a plus.

I really hated Ace - it was at least in part due to her very posh accent, and I mean I grew up in a village in Surrey ffs so I should have been used to it, but there was something offensive to me (very working class btw!) about portraying her as a posho who liked to blow stuff up (in a sort of "what have you got to be angry about?" way). I'd have liked her a lot more if she'd sounded less posh.

I don't know whether anyone else took that sort of view of her as a character. I just didn't find her a believable character at all.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Going to dip into some of the classic epsodes with the dr who fanatic offspring.

 

[krtek a houby]

I really hated Ace - it was at least in part due to her very posh accent, and I mean I grew up in a village in Surrey ffs so I should have been used to it, but there was something offensive to me (very working class btw!) about portraying her as a posho who liked to blow stuff up (in a sort of "what have you got to be angry about?" way). I'd have liked her a lot more if she'd sounded less posh.

I don't know whether anyone else took that sort of view of her as a character. I just didn't find her a believable character at all.

Afaik, her childhood was traumatic and troubled which may have some bearing on her actions.

 

[lazythursday]

I really hated Ace - it was at least in part due to her very posh accent, and I mean I grew up in a village in Surrey ffs so I should have been used to it, but there was something offensive to me (very working class btw!) about portraying her as a posho who liked to blow stuff up (in a sort of "what have you got to be angry about?" way). I'd have liked her a lot more if she'd sounded less posh.

I don't know whether anyone else took that sort of view of her as a character. I just didn't find her a believable character at all.

The thing I noticed more than anything about watching Earthshock was just how posh / RP all the accents were (barring Tegan and Beryl Reid). I found it quite jarring.

And yes, that's one of the things that was wrong with Ace. It's like the writers wanted to create a completely different sort of companion but bottled out on key elements at the last minute so she really didn't work as a fully believable character.

 

[danny la rouge]

Wait, what? Susan Foreman as at the premier of the Star Beast?



Are they bringing back Susan?

BRING BACK SUSAN @RTD

 

[PR1Berske]

Curse of Fenric is good, because it leads into the episodes where Syl and Sophie really start to do something with the characters. Setting the Doctor up as a machiavellian bastard. He's still good, he still cares, but he's a total bastard when it comes to getting his way and doesn't care a whit about the damage along the way. Syl's last series was one of the best in years because of it, but they'd already made up their minds about cancellation at that point.

Absolutely this. I love what they were doing with the Doctor at that point. The rumoured narrative for the next series would have carried it on even further (and is where we're getting the "sorry we fell out" references in the new content, I believe)

 

[krtek a houby]

This is when The Doctor was hinted at being Merlin, at being more than just an average Timelord... imagine the fuss if they tried to retcon the character today and rework the origins...

 

[lazythursday]

This is when The Doctor was hinted at being Merlin, at being more than just an average Timelord... imagine the fuss if they tried to retcon the character today and rework the origins...

I think the difference is that the 7th doctor retcon added something to the mystery and mythos of the character without being too prescriptive about it, or completely changing what had come before. After all, being Merlin could easily fit into one of the existing doctors 1-7, in one of the narrative gaps that Big Finish use to set their stories. I always liked the idea of the doctor as a renegade from his society, bit of an outcast who stole a tardis - the timeless child concept utterly transforms him into something else, not a time lord, a mystery from another universe. To be fair it does build on some of the god-like aspects of the Doctor of modern Who from both RTD and Moffat but that's probably the aspect of the modern series I've most disliked.

 

[danny la rouge]

I always liked the idea of the doctor as a renegade from his society, bit of an outcast who stole a tardis - the timeless child concept utterly transforms him into something else, not a time lord, a mystery from another universe.

Precisely this. I’m hoping RTD2 either ignores the Timeless Child and moves on, or fixes it somehow.

 

[Chz]

Precisely this. I’m hoping RTD2 either ignores the Timeless Child and moves on, or fixes it somehow.

He's said he won't write it out, but that doesn't discount ignoring it entirely.

 

[ginger_syn]

I think the difference is that the 7th doctor retcon added something to the mystery and mythos of the character without being too prescriptive about it, or completely changing what had come before. After all, being Merlin could easily fit into one of the existing doctors 1-7, in one of the narrative gaps that Big Finish use to set their stories. I always liked the idea of the doctor as a renegade from his society, bit of an outcast who stole a tardis - the timeless child concept utterly transforms him into something else, not a time lord, a mystery from another universe. To be fair it does build on some of the god-like aspects of the Doctor of modern Who from both RTD and Moffat but that's probably the aspect of the modern series I've most disliked.

Its made them not gallifreyan ,the doctor is still a timelord as they went through the acadamy none of that changed.

 

[PR1Berske]

This is when The Doctor was hinted at being Merlin, at being more than just an average Timelord... imagine the fuss if they tried to retcon the character today and rework the origins...

((The Timeless Children))

 

[lazythursday]

Its made them not gallifreyan ,the doctor is still a timelord as they went through the acadamy none of that changed.

Yeah - but no longer just an ordinary timelord. I don't like that change but I suspect we'll hear very little about it in future.

 

[Santino]

You could actually make it's non-importance a plot point.


'It doesn't matter where you came from or who your parents were. It's the decisions you make that are important.'

'Are you talking about me, Doctor, or yourself?'

The Doctor makes a meaningful look

BAFTAs all round.

 

[Cerv]

I think the difference is that the 7th doctor retcon added something to the mystery and mythos of the character without being too prescriptive about it, or completely changing what had come before. After all, being Merlin could easily fit into one of the existing doctors 1-7, in one of the narrative gaps that Big Finish use to set their stories. I always liked the idea of the doctor as a renegade from his society, bit of an outcast who stole a tardis - the timeless child concept utterly transforms him into something else, not a time lord, a mystery from another universe. To be fair it does build on some of the god-like aspects of the Doctor of modern Who from both RTD and Moffat but that's probably the aspect of the modern series I've most disliked.

Nitpicking
Battlefield is explicit that it’s a future regeneration of the Doc who was Merlin.

 

[krtek a houby]

Not explicitly bothered, a 60 year old show is bound to have the occasional unpopular arc (of infinity) and what's canon and what's not will forever be debated.

Part of the attraction.

Personally, nothing has been spoiled for this viewer.

(But then again, haven't seen the offending recent episodes!)

 

[danny la rouge]

Personally, nothing has been spoiled for this viewer.

Och, it’s not “spoiled” anything. I just prefer the wandering rebel Gallifreyan to the Special One from Somewhere Myserious. But my loyalty hasn’t been challenged.

 

[CNT36]

It's obviously all an elaborate lie cooked up by the Doctor to get the master to kill the Time Lords for them. They'd be too sad to have to do it all again.

 

[krtek a houby]

Would be really into a new era where we don't have the Daleks or Cybermen for a few seasons. Like it was for a bit during the Baker or Davison era.

 

[danny la rouge]

Provisional schedules show The Star Beast' may air at 6:30pm on BBC 1, with Unleashed (the Doctor Who Confidential replacement) at 7:30pm on BBC 3.

 

[danny la rouge]

He's said he won't write it out, but that doesn't discount ignoring it entirely.

Hmm. He says it’s to acknowledge Chris’ great work…but he’d have to, right?

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[danny la rouge]

There are rumours that RTD is planning a spin off series for McGann’s Doctor.