PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Er, no it's not just your ridiculous made up "equivocation" that makes you a troll, it's your posting pattern and tone. It's a dead giveaway.
Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's not made up, you were the one ranting about people slipping alcohol into your Ribena as a kid. Here, I'll even quote you:
Yeah, I wish I had people around to slip some alcohol into my Ribena when I was a kid, I fucking hated being teetotal. These nasty parents forcing their unreasonable beliefs on their kids, eh?
This was in response to my anecdote about being grateful for there being other adults willing to give me meat as a child. Clearly an equivocation between meat and alcohol.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
It's your wonderfully loaded use of language that helps to confirm your troll status. It was a parody of your "rant" against being forced to forego those deliciously tasty dead animal flesh by your unreasonable parents. Your magical superpowers have somehow converted that to MEAT = ALCOHOL. Give yerself another medal. You deserve it.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's your wonderfully loaded use of language that helps to confirm your troll status. It was a parody of your "rant" against being forced to forego those deliciously tasty dead animal flesh by your unreasonable parents. Your magical superpowers have somehow converted that to MEAT = ALCOHOL. Give yerself another medal. You deserve it.
The scorn you're heaping upon my experiences does nothing to refute them.
Also, parody actually has to have some kind of resemblance to the original material. For example, I knew when I was getting meat, often because I would explicitly ask for it, whereas your "parody" has the child in question being given alcohol unknowingly ("slipped"). Plus the fact that there is considerable difference between the two in terms of the effects that consumption has.
You know this. If a child asked for a chicken kiev, hardly anyone would make a fuss over it. But if a child is slipped whiskey in their milkshake...
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Perhaps because in your vegetarian traumatised state you were unable to see another (more adult?) perspective? Of course children are always going to want "forbidden" things that they don't normally have. More sweets than their parents usually allow, staying up later to watch "inappropriate" TV that their parents might not approve of. The point I was making (and parodying) was the deliberate "betrayal of trust" where people go out of their way to undermine the parents wishes, which is what happened in the example I gave earlier. If I had a Jewish or Muslim friend I would never even dream of trying to trick their children into eating a bacon butty and then report back to the parent with a satisfied grin on my face. That's sneaky, underhand and just not cricket, even if the child secretly loved the taste of murdered pig.
Now it may be the case that because they're in the overwhelmingly dominant majority, meat eaters have the equivalent of white mans privilege which makes things a lot easier for them and much harder for the marginalised veg*ns, so I can understand veg*ns having a hard time in a non veg*n world where nearly everything is heavily biased towards carnivory, resulting in kids feeling "left out" if they don't fit in with the norm.
My eldest (the subject in my earlier anecdote) is all grown up now and has kids of his own. As far as I know he's not a vegetarian and yes, he did have issues with "being too different" which he rebelled against to a certain extent, but then it's not unusual for kids/teenagers to do that. Out of our 3 kids, our middle child (daughter) is the most veganistic. Youngest son drinks lots of milk and probably eats meat when he's out and about.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No trickery was required to get me to eat meat, I genuinely enjoyed it and sought it out. What you need to learn is that children aren't empty vessels into which you can pour your personal ideals, they do actually have some agency of their own, even if it isn't as well-informed as that of an adult.
The consequences of a child being slipped booze could include a lot of very negative shit, up to and including a hospital visit with free stomach pump on the side. It could even be done as a prelude to rape, heaven forfend.
The consequences of supplying a child with meat when they ask for it is... a full belly? Well, I don't see what's wrong with that. But you hint at the real reason when you mention "betrayal of trust". You want other adults to collude in denying your kids meat, because otherwise how can you bend your kids' worldviews into the shapes that you desire? Well, I'm sorry to say that denying harmless experiences to your children because they don't jive with your lifestyle/identity doesn't speak well of your worldview. Much like with those unfortunate kids with fundie Christian parents who deny their kids fun, harmless things in order to perpetuate their ideology.
I see you're still going with the offensive comparisons. No, vegans are not oppressed and there is no such thing as carnist privilege. Get the fuck over yourself already.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
While I wouldn't try to persuade a normally veggie/vegan child to eat meat, if the child was old enough to express a considered preference (6ish), I wouldn't deny them. I'd imagine such a child was probably able to get hold of meat/cheese/jelly sweets via playground swapsies anyway.
In the same way, from a similar age, of a normally omnivorous child told me they wanted to try out being vegetarian I'd allow that too. Kids of that age are absolutely able to make decisions of an ethical nature, and to experiment with who they are going to be, independent of their families.
I experimented both with religion and vegetarianism at a similar age. Both short lived, neither was a rebellion against my omnivorous atheist parents. I was just trying things out.
In the same way, from a similar age, of a normally omnivorous child told me they wanted to try out being vegetarian I'd allow that too. Kids of that age are absolutely able to make decisions of an ethical nature, and to experiment with who they are going to be, independent of their families.
I experimented both with religion and vegetarianism at a similar age. Both short lived, neither was a rebellion against my omnivorous atheist parents. I was just trying things out.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
The beyotch had a grin on her face like a cheshire cat.
Beyotch?
Don't tell me. Was she one of "the blacks"?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Thing is, I don't "love animals". There have been particular animals that I have felt affection for, and even particular species that I would admit to being more likely to have feelings for (such as felis silvestris catus), but I would never say that such feelings are entirely unconditional.
Given the choice between saving a random human life and a random non-human life, I would choose the human every time.
Yossarian
⏭️
I think I finally just figured out where Sylvester the Cat's name comes from.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
And me - massively facepalming myself
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Your gonna kick yourself when you find out that the correct name for yellow canary is Tweetagra Pieventris.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Big lol at the meateaters being the self righteous ones
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Converted anyone to non-carnism with this style of rhetoric yet have we?
Yeah, thought not.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
did you want an answer or just the one you've given yourself?
I'll rephrase the question: has the smug, hectoring tone you use to discuss these issues proven successful in making meat-eaters see the error of their ways?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Everything.
editor
hiraethified
Just think about what you just posted there.
editor
hiraethified
Is there a point here? Are you going to do a post for every meat eater that goes on a shooting rampage? I fancy it's be a much, much, much longer list.
What is there to think about?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
No, I was just posting as an example of an angry vegan! No point being made. Sorry.
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