Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Casually Red]

It would have to be a fucking big dog to turn into coat.

Speaking of fucking big dogs...some people take this animal loving business too seriously . I'm well distrustful of people who think animals are just like humans .




I'm not saying all vegans are into that but...you never really know with some of them .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not sure why you tagged me after quoting yourself. I'm not sure what you were trying to get at tbh. Fetishisation of death? wtf is that?

lbf gave himself an "out" right at the start of this thread, with his unilateral declaration that there is nothing more to discuss on this matter, even though he's in the top two posters in this thread has been pushed to the front as the meat eaters spokesperson and chief advocate. He has attached himself to the moral argument which he apparently believes to a compelling one, and I don't believe is a very good argument. Of course there is no way to prove whether it is moral or immoral to kill animals for food when we don't need to, however there is still plenty of talking points imo. For starters lbj has not offered any real explanation as to why it's not wrong and immoral, he simply declares that it just isn't as if it's a given, and that vegans just don't get this. He rather conveniently ignores the other fairly sound reasons people decide to stop consuming animal products, presumably because most of those reasons are on fairly solid ground and make good sense from a health, environmental and economic perspective, and so are harder to argue against.

I've addressed moral arguments because they're there to be addressed, and also because in a debate, you need to address the other side's strongest arguments, not merely their weakest. You and one or two others have consistently misrepresented what I've said on this thread, and often just made shit up that you presume I've said when I have not. I'll not engage further.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I've addressed moral arguments because they're there to be addressed, and also because in a debate, you need to address the other side's strongest arguments, not merely their weakest.

Except you haven't really addressed the moral argument, you've simply declared that it isn't wrong to kill and eat animals for no reason and everyone is supposed to just accept it. The moral reason for not eating meat is not an isolated reason to be singled out, it is linked to all the other reasons, cruelty is just one of them. Even if, as you appear to believe, killing an animal unnecessarily is not an act of cruelty, the other reasons contribute to its wrongness. The fact that our current insatiable appetite for animal flesh has such a negative impact in so many different well documented ways is good enough reason even if you leave aside the moral issue.

You and one or two others have consistently misrepresented what I've said on this thread, and often just made shit up that you presume I've said when I have not.

You appear not to be able to smell your own shit and your own misrepresentations and those of your "colleagues". I don't believe I have misrepresented you, well not on purpose anyway, and if even I had, you could always correct you believe the misrepresentation was instead of whining about it.

I'll not engage further.

Hasta la pasta, baby.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

 

[coley]

It would have to be a fucking big dog to turn into coat.

Remember those rabbit fur coats in the 80s? half the daft buggers wearing them didn't know what a 'coney ' was

 

[coley]

Been a vegetarian for over thirty years, have had the odd bit of meat or fish when there was no practicable alternative early on in my ' vegetarian life' TBH I've had more flack from vegans than from other people "how can you eat something resembling a beef burger"?? Etc.
But extreme Veganism? More a point scoring exercise in ascending the 'moral high ground' than real concern for animal welfare, IMHE

 

[coley]

We ..in the west..don't eat dogs purely for cultural reasons , same with horses and insects ..actually that's more a British thing, most of Europe will happily scoff a horse . But make no mistake about it we are about 6 or 7 square meals away from saying " fuck it...fidos for the pot " . we would if we were hungry enough . And fido would eat us too and have not an ounce of remorse .
The Swiss eat dogs , so do many people in Asia . It's nothing more than a cultural taste . You might as well be talking about coconut oil or curry powder . A matter of taste and nothing else .

Or 9/10 meals away from eating each other eating meat, or choosing not to, is funnily enough a result of our relatively decent standard of living.
50 years ago most of the WC regarded a decent lump of meat as a luxury, to be eked out over the course of a week.
Now we are quite blasé about wrecking the planet as long as we can stuff our faces with pulled pork (WETFTI) and chicken nuggets, etc.
I'm no rabid vegetarian/vegan, but a bit of though as to our lifestyles, would go a long way to making sure future generations had something to eat?

 

[coley]

Indeed. With my body that seems perfectly designed for consuming a mix of meat, dairy and vegetables.

I guess those pesky marketeers are just taking advatage of that.

Insofar as they market meat and meat derivatives far more than say, brussell sprouts ? Then yes they are

 

[coley]

Bugger, just put out the evening feed for the hedgehog pack, dried mealworms!! Now I'm never going to get to sleep wondering how many transgressions I have committed in this particular argument!
Please note, I do not intend to eat the hedgehogs I am feeding, but were these mealworms humanely killed?
Not taking the piss, but there needs to be a line drawn, or a sensible argument engaged in.

 

[Casually Red]

Or 9/10 meals away from eating each other eating meat, or choosing not to, is funnily enough a result of our relatively decent standard of living.
50 years ago most of the WC regarded a decent lump of meat as a luxury, to be eked out over the course of a week.
Now we are quite blasé about wrecking the planet as long as we can stuff our faces with pulled pork (WETFTI) and chicken nuggets, etc.
I'm no rabid vegetarian/vegan, but a bit of though as to our lifestyles, would go a long way to making sure future generations had something to eat?

Vegetable , tubor and rice farming wipes out ecosystems and kills a hell of a lot more animals than meat farming . Eg it'd take a human a full year to eat a single entire cow . Combine harvesters and tractors used in arable farming kill animals in their thousands . As do pesticides and poisons . rice farming creates vast amounts of methane . I'm not buying into this saving the planet business for a second . Monsanto are one of the most evil companies on the planet .
We can I suppose get by without eating meat , but it's meat eating that gave us the large brains that are able to process this ethical stuff in the first place . Had humans been vegans then we'd all be stupid small brained idiots .
And as regards vegetarians being ethical Hitler , Pol pot and Charles Manson are a few examples of ethics gone badly awry .

 

[Casually Red]

Meat smells and tastes bloody gorgeous . If we weren't supposed to eat it it wouldn't be so flipping delish to us in the first place . It makes me salivate when I smell it cooking . Mmmmmmmmm

Being averse to that just can't be right . Which makes you all wrong Uns by default .

 

[coley]

Vegetable , tubor and rice farming wipes out ecosystems and kills a hell of a lot more animals than meat farming . Eg it'd take a human a full year to eat a single entire cow . Combine harvesters and tractors used in arable farming kill animals in their thousands . As do pesticides and poisons . rice farming creates vast amounts of methane . I'm not buying into this saving the planet business for a second . Monsanto are one of the most evil companies on the planet .
We can I suppose get by without eating meat , but it's meat eating that gave us the large brains that are able to process this ethical stuff in the first place . Had humans been vegans then we'd all be stupid small brained idiots .
And as regards vegetarians being ethical Hitler , Pol pot and Charles Manson are a few examples of ethics gone badly awry .

"but it's meat eating that gave us the large brains"

Never realised you are such a fanatical vegan!!, still live and learn

 

[coley]

Meat smells and tastes bloody gorgeous . If we weren't supposed to eat it it wouldn't be so flipping delish to us in the first place . It makes me salivate when I smell it cooking . Mmmmmmmmm

Being averse to that just can't be right . Which makes you all wrong Uns by default .

Leave it in the sun for a couple of hours then repeat your assertion

 

[Casually Red]

"but it's meat eating that gave us the large brains"

Never realised you are such a fanatical vegan!!, still live and learn

You can have a large brain and still be bloody stupid . Take dolphins for instance...rapey bastards too stupid to just jump over the flipping net . And whales. How the fuck can they be so stupid to try and swim up a beach . Daft bastards the lot of them .

 

[NoXion]

What people can't deny is that they have been brainwashed/programmed into eating dead animals and drinking cows milk. It goes on today. Schools telling children that dairy is "essential" in their diet. This is of course programming. Industry led programming.

The main reasons you eat dead animals is because you've been programmed to do so. Yes, you might like the taste but the main reason is for you to give money to the meat industry and possibly the pharmaceutical industry too.

Lactase persistence is part of an industry conspiracy stretching thousands of years before the industrialization of agriculture? I think this proves that you're a trolling shitcunt. Vegetablists, Mr Watermelon is not your friend.

 

[NoXion]

Leave it in the sun for a couple of hours then repeat your assertion

Leave pretty much any foodstuffs in the sun for a couple of hours and it will either go bad or some creature will have a go at it.
Besides, I'm not sure what "my preferred foods won't go bad as quickly if stored in sub-optimal conditions and are not as quick to be raided by passing animals" is supposed to prove.

 

[peterkro]

I'm not getting involved in the meat/no meat debate but just read this article, it shows clearly how insane Capitalism is.Nearly all bacon in NZ comes from Spain (mainly),Finland,Canada or the U.S. Now as most people know NZ has a huge meat farming industry and it has many pig farms of its own yet nearly all bacon is imported from the other side of the world and sold with the label "manufactured in NZ".
The same sort of thing goes on with Britain and Denmark but the distances involved in the NZ case are huge:

Do you know where your bacon comes from? (It's probably Spain)

Reminds me of a article I read about Scottish milk, it's taken by road in tankers to Southampton where it is packaged in Tetrapaks then put on refrigerated lorries and taken back to Scotland.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm not getting involved in the meat/no meat debate but just read this article, it shows clearly how insane Capitalism is

Now on that point, I think we can all agree

 

[pengaleng]

if meat was so wrong then why did herbs evolve to be so tasty with it.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Yes Iyah...

 

[Watermelon Man]

Very true. Angry idiots.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Meat smells and tastes bloody gorgeous . If we weren't supposed to eat it it wouldn't be so flipping delish to us in the first place . It makes me salivate when I smell it cooking . Mmmmmmmmm

Being averse to that just can't be right . Which makes you all wrong Uns by default .

I salivate when I see vegan food. I love my food more than I ever have done before.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It would have to be a fucking big dog to turn into coat.

They'd use more than one, as they do with nearly every other fur animal:

How many minks make a full mink coat?

Please excuse the Yahoo link. I couldn't find a single article that didn't have an agenda on one side or the other.

 

[mrs quoad]

Very true. Angry idiots.

Ooo.

Vegan pie!

Do you know the one thing that is guaranteed to improve vegan pie?

 

[editor]

I love the ridiculous premise of this argument: "You know, I was just about to turn vegan, but then I met an angry vegan so it's meat all the way for me forever!".

 

[mrs quoad]

but then I met an angry vegan

Past tense of meet.

#trufax

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Very true. Angry idiots.

Do angry idiots put you off becoming an idiot?

 

[T & P]

I love the ridiculous premise of this argument: "You know, I was just about to turn vegan, but then I met an angry vegan so it's meat all the way for me forever!".

Oh I would think it's been long understood by all sides of the argument that the OP was a wind-up.

 

[editor]

Oh I would think it's been long understood by all sides of the argument that the OP was a wind-up.

I was going to turn vegan until you said that.