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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

Carn /kɑːn/ excl. inf. AUSTRALIAN/NZ
  1. (at sporting events) a cry intended to urge on a team or player; come on!
    "carn you mighty Lions!"
    Derivative: Carnist, one who does this. Probably.
 
It's extremely ironic, because if carnist was a real word, it would refer to vegans, not meat eaters.
I have in the past spent far too much time winding-up theists in American PALTALK chatrooms - quite a few in there who use the term "carnal..." in a whole other way.
 
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I love this guy's whole approach. He doesn't just want to win the bellies of people going hair-shirt for moralism, he wants to appeal to the palates of everyone. His scientific attitude to replicating the experience of eating meat using solely plant-based materials, is also a welcome break from the usual happy-clappy hippy-dippy nonsense from the more outspoken human herbivores.
 
"meat" used to mean "food" in the olden days ...

meat (n.)
Old English mete "food, item of food" (paired with drink), from Proto-Germanic *mati (source also of Old Frisian mete, Old Saxon meti, Old Norse matr, Old High German maz, Gothic mats "food," Middle Dutch, Dutch metworst, German Mettwurst "type of sausage"), from PIE *mad-i-, from root *mad- "moist, wet," also with reference to food qualities, (source also of Sanskrit medas- "fat" (n.), Old Irish mat "pig;" see mast (n.2)).

Narrower sense of "flesh used as food" is first attested c. 1300; similar sense evolution in French viande "meat," originally "food." In Middle English, vegetables still could be called grene-mete (15c.). Figurative sense of "essential part" is from 1901. Dark meat, white meat popularized 19c., supposedly as euphemisms for leg and breast, but earliest sources use both terms without apparent embarrassment

The choicest parts of a turkey are the side bones, the breast, and the thigh bones. The breast and wings are called light meat; the thigh-bones and side-bones dark meat. When a person declines expressing a preference, it is polite to help to both kinds. [Lydia Maria Child, "The American Frugal Housewife," Boston, 1835]

First record of meat loaf is from 1876. Meat-market "place where one looks for sex partners" is from 1896 (meat in various sexual senses of "penis, vagina, body regarded as a sex object, prostitute" are attested from 1590s; Old English for "meat-market" was flæsccyping ('flesh-cheaping')); meat wagon "ambulance" is from 1920, American English slang, said to date from World War I (in a literal sense by 1857). Meat-grinder in the figurative sense attested by 1951. Meat-hook in colloquial transferred sense "arm" attested by 1919.

meat | Origin and meaning of meat by Online Etymology Dictionary
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I love this guy's whole approach. He doesn't just want to win the bellies of people going hair-shirt for moralism, he wants to appeal to the palates of everyone. His scientific attitude to replicating the experience of eating meat using solely plant-based materials, is also a welcome break from the usual happy-clappy hippy-dippy nonsense from the more outspoken human herbivores.
Is this sarcasm? I think the guy's nuts!
 
Oh, I can see what he's trying to do. It's not the approach I'd take (but then I don't like eating meat, it's not just that I don't), but he's trying to address that particular need.
I would question his understanding of nutrition. But if he wants to make kale burgers then good luck to him :D
 
I decided to try some Linda McCartney sausages yesterday. Apparently they're some of the best veggie sausages. Fuck me it's no wonder vegans are so miserable, when that's the closest they can get to a real sausage.
 
I decided to try some Linda McCartney sausages yesterday. Apparently they're some of the best veggie sausages. Fuck me it's no wonder vegans are so miserable, when that's the closest they can get to a real sausage.
Nah. Cauldron sausages are way better imo - lincolnshire ones are really nice. Even quorn sausages are better than LM (though not vegan). LM stuff is awful. Tasteless mush.
 
I quite like LM sausages and burgers. . . . but then I don't really like real sausages or burgers.
I tend to lean towards vegan if I can, but I had an egg this morning and I still eat fish, so I have a long way to go. When I have been asked what is the difference between fish meat and other meat . . . I can't answer or justify. . . apart from maybe I would be quite happy to catch and prepare my own fish, but I would never be able to kill a cow. . . or gut a chicken.
 
I've never understood the desire to produce fake meat, particularly among people who reject meat for ethical and/or health reasons. Seems like self flagellation to me :D

As someone who loves to eat meat, I understand it perfectly. While I personally have no problems with killing animals for food, I can easily see why someone shares my love but not my ethical position would want convincing fake meat. Another reason why people might want simulated meat, is because they don't like the environmental costs that currently come with the real thing. I love steak, but I'm not going to be a complete fool and deny that it's hardly the most efficient source of protein.

To me, the self-flagellation is to deny the satisfaction of one's palate despite the fact that alternatives are possible. Especially since there are people working on better alternatives such as this Impossible Burger, which to sounds good enough for a dedicated meat eater like me to want to try it out. Word says it'll be available in UK Tesco stores next year, so I'll look forward to reporting back on this thread to give my opinion. If it's at least as good as Quorn but without being so fucking expensive like that stuff, then I would consider that a definite success.

Although the alternative that I'm really looking forward to is cultured meat, growing the meat without the animal, but I think getting that stuff cheaply is few years off yet. But once that happens, then I see no reason for me not to become a kind of techno-vegetarian.
 
Vegan heads will be exploding everywhere when that happens. Imagine them having to go even a day without being able to express their superiority.
I'm sure there are plenty that don't you know. I would equate it with perhaps the people going on about how great steak is, and how you need proper meat for a proper meal, all juicy and fat "I'm a real man, hur."
I think the trouble is most people don't really talk that much about what they eat, but the vocal outspoken ones that do are the ones who are heard.
 
I'm sure there are plenty that don't you know. I would equate it with perhaps the people going on about how great steak is, and how you need proper meat for a proper meal, all juicy and fat "I'm a real man, hur."
I think the trouble is most people don't really talk that much about what they eat, but the vocal outspoken ones that do are the ones who are heard.
Personally I don't like the conflation of macho bullshit with eating meat. The use of 'soy boy' is an insult, or the endorsement of a carnivore diet by snake oil salesman Jordan B Petersen. Does it no favours IMO
 
I'm a meat eater but my local's vegan cauliflower, 'wings' are so nice I have them instead of the chicken one.

It's wings Wednesday:

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