Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[BigMoaner]

Some people here will remember my yoga teaching neighbours, from such shows as The ones who abandoned their dying dog last Summer.
I just bumped into them and said I'd had the vaccine (in context of i'm fine thanks but wasn't yesterday) and their reaction was a perfect mix of disapproval and shock, looked like genuine shock that I'd chosen to be vaccinated. "you've had the vacccine!" she said, like i thought you were not that type or something.
The shock is a really bad sign, i think in their circle it must be pretty standard to not have it.

I've been thinking about the whole thing and reckon that a unifying factor in the refusers (not the hesitant) is a kind of extreme individualism, which goes for right wing nutjobs and for full on yoga/ hippies as well, no such thing as society we're all just masters of our own destiny and fuck the rest of them losers, etc.

Too damn pure for the vacinne. That's what it comes down too. Fuck the rest of us.

 

[bimble]

Too damn pure for the vacinne. That's what it comes down too. Fuck the rest of us.

Too pure or too clever, something yeah. I feel angry about it today. Did have a very shit weekend, a miniflu, can't exactly recommend the whole experience but feel like i've done by tiny bit. The next door neighbour's doses should have been given to the old man i know who is in hospital in delhi right now.

 

[LDC]

Nothing spiritual about these folks. Dewy eyed selfish facists. I have no time left for these folks.

Yeah, I think the pandemic has exposed many things, one of which is the selfish individualism and nasty reactionary beliefs of much of the 'alternative' health and new age scene.

 

[lazythursday]

Yeah, I think the pandemic has exposed many things, one of which is the selfish individualism and nasty reactionary beliefs of much of the 'alternative' health and new age scene.

I think it's a bit bigger than that - it's exposed the political decay / splintering of a whole alternative scene, that encompasses the new agey stuff but but also many green-inclined people, lifestyle anarchists, the festival scene. In this area some of the people most involved in Extinction Rebellion have gone down the covid denial route. I guess most of them were conspiracy-inclined before but there still seemed enough common ground, now there seems such a chasm in belief systems.

 

[LDC]

I think it's a bit bigger than that - it's exposed the political decay / splintering of a whole alternative scene, that encompasses the new agey stuff but but also many green-inclined people, lifestyle anarchists, the festival scene. In this area some of the people most involved in Extinction Rebellion have gone down the covid denial route. I guess most of them were conspiracy-inclined before but there still seemed enough common ground, now there seems such a chasm in belief systems.

Yeah totally, I think the left activist (especially environmental) scene is rife for it. All that swirling ill-thought through stuff about elites, finance capital, WTO, secret conferences deciding the fate of the world, health obsession, etc. that's so commonplace there definitely can easily lead to it.

 

[pug]

Apparently the people who have had the vaccine shed or something that could be damaging to covidiots.

 

[BigMoaner]

Also the lack of self awareness, political awareness, how they are ending up on the same march as white nationalists and other such far right nut jobs. Oh its because we are uniting as one! Whoop whoop!

No its because you're part of the same narcissistic pro death ideology, Owen, no matter how many Chakras you've bothered this morning.

 

[BigMoaner]

Yeah, I think the pandemic has exposed many things, one of which is the selfish individualism and nasty reactionary beliefs of much of the 'alternative' health and new age scene.

"no one is the boss of me", whispered under the breath with half open eyes whilst sat in the full lotus position.

 

[BristolEcho]

Apparently the people who have had the vaccine shed or something that could be damaging to covidiots.

Shedding spike proteins according the video I got sent by text today.

 

[The39thStep]

I think it's a bit bigger than that - it's exposed the political decay / splintering of a whole alternative scene, that encompasses the new agey stuff but but also many green-inclined people, lifestyle anarchists, the festival scene. In this area some of the people most involved in Extinction Rebellion have gone down the covid denial route. I guess most of them were conspiracy-inclined before but there still seemed enough common ground, now there seems such a chasm in belief systems.

The ‘hinterland’ that at one time anarchists thought were allies

 

[existentialist]

Shedding spike proteins according the video I got sent by text today.

Which, of course, is exactly what infected people do. Only for longer. And with more viable virus.

 

[WouldBe]

Shedding spike proteins according the video I got sent by text today.

Oh no we might accidentally vaccinate the nutters.

 

[Griff]

Fuck me, I got called a loon the other day, have a listen to youselves you fucking nutters. Oi Lynne what are you some kind of sociapath? Angry middle class socialist? Or a working class socialist with politics of envy? I suspect the former.
Either way, you're not part of Urban I want to listen to so don't do the fucking shouty SWP shit with me, eh.

Rubbershoes, I'd only ever seen LauranceFox on Question Time once so not part of my thinking or ever will be. Also cheers for the thumbs up, appreciated. No worries, I''ve not gone down any rabbit hole.

Bishie and Numbers another thumbs up!

 

[two sheds]

any actual content to that post?

 

[Griff]

Not really but has that ever been condtional on here?

 

[two sheds]

Good point well made

 

[existentialist]

Fuck me, I got called a loon the other day, have a listen to youselves you fucking nutters. Oi Lynne what are you some kind of sociapath? Angry middle class socialist? Or a working class socialist with politics of envy? I suspect the former.
Either way, you're not part of Urban I want to listen to so don't do the fucking shouty SWP shit with me, eh.

Rubbershoes, I'd only ever seen LauranceFox on Question Time once so not part of my thinking or ever will be. Also cheers for the thumbs up, appreciated. No worries, I''ve not gone down any rabbit hole.

Bishie and Numbers another thumbs up!

You got called a loon?

Can't think what would have given anyone that idea.

 

[mojo pixy]

the problem seems to be:
Social Responsibility (incl. following guidance from a broadly corrupt, immoral government) -vs- Personal Freedom (and personal bodily autonomy is considered a basic human right)

and there are battle lines being drawn that look as if they will cut clean across many long-established political lines. much like 'identarianism' is doing. like brexit has done.

we aren't prepared for it, in our political foxholes, and It's going to be messy.

 

[rubbershoes]

It’s disconcerting when I think through people I used to know, ex-friends, old boyfriends etc, I reckon possibly the majority will probably be refusing the vaccine. This is quite a revealing moment in that way isn’t it.

I only know one person who's definitely refused it and he's been given a lot of grief for it.

 

[marshall]

Yep, the anarcho punk ex-squatter now professional dog walker to the rich and lazy down the road thinks I’m seriously compromised for having the vaccine, as does my flat earth believing QAnon-backing brother in law. United in their arrogance.

 

[William of Walworth]

Fuck me, I got called a loon the other day, have a listen to youselves you fucking nutters.

So none of those people marching on Saturday were 'fucking nutters', then?

And some Urbans are 'fucking nutters', because they tend to favour facts, science, logic, rationality** over made-up conspiracies and anti-science?

**and OK, some insults and abuse towards the worst of the idiot conspiracy theorists? Those who you at no point criticise?

I think you've got everything exactly the wrong way about. Just IMO like

 

[Griff]

William, why have you quoted my drunken post from last night and used it to talk about people on Saturday?

 

[bimble]

Apparently the people who have had the vaccine shed or something that could be damaging to covidiots.

oh interesting, i though the neighbour pulled back from me in sort of physical horror when i mentioned i'm one of the vaccinated now.

 

[existentialist]

William, why have you quoted my drunken post from last night and used it to talk about people on Saturday?

It's called "making a point". You really should try it some time.

 

[bimble]

I can see a whole shit science fiction story where the vaccinated and unvaccinated will retreat from each other, avoid being in the same rooms, so his whole yoga class will be smaller but pure and free from the taint of the vaccine-shedders & nobody who isn't a loon will carry on going.

 

[Griff]

It's called "making a point". You really should try it some time.

Mate, you do realise when I'm talking to people (in this case William) I know them personally and don't need some random (you) to try and look clever by piping up with some kind of insult.

 

[existentialist]

Mate, you do realise when I'm talking to people (in this case William) I know them personally and don't need some random (you) to try and look clever by piping up with some kind of insult.

Oh no! I've blown it by trying to look clever

And that's Mr mate to you...

 

[hitmouse]

Fuck me, I got called a loon the other day, have a listen to youselves you fucking nutters. Oi Lynne what are you some kind of sociapath? Angry middle class socialist? Or a working class socialist with politics of envy? I suspect the former.
Either way, you're not part of Urban I want to listen to so don't do the fucking shouty SWP shit with me, eh.

Rubbershoes, I'd only ever seen LauranceFox on Question Time once so not part of my thinking or ever will be. Also cheers for the thumbs up, appreciated. No worries, I''ve not gone down any rabbit hole.

Bishie and Numbers another thumbs up!

So, did you get a chance to read that article I posted, and what did you make of it if so? Or you could just carry on calling people fucking shouty SWP nutters, up to you like.

 

[hitmouse]

Oh no! I've blown it by trying to look clever

And that's Mr mate to you...

FFS, did you forget to check the chart showing who Griff does and doesn't know personally before posting? Classic schoolboy error, that.

 

[Griff]

I'll and give it a read today.